painter type?

Yes...

 

Im sure it that one was a Colby dog.

 

I never new thst...always thought that old petey was a Colby dog.

 

Petey from the original Our Gang comedies was a pit bull, but he was later replaced with an American Bulldog in remake in 1994. But, during the 1920s and 1930s, an American Pit Bull followed a group of mischievous kids around town.

Petey’s real name was “Pal the Wonder Dog,” who was sired by Earl Tudor’s “Black Jack”. He started his career in film in the 1920s as “Tige” in Buster Brown, and when he was six months old, Pal made a cameo on the Harold Lloyd movie The Freshman, in 1925.

Pal the Wonder Dog was trained and owned by Lt. Harry Lucenay. When Pal was poisoned and died in 1930, Lucenay used on of his offspring, “Lucenay’s Peter,” in the Our Gang series. Pal’s offspring was actually registered as an American Staffordshire Terrior, and not an American Pit Bull.

Lucenay’s Peter continued as Petey on the series. He died on January 28, 1946, at 16 years old.

 

The Homeward bound 2 & the little rascals AB look like the same dog. To me looks like a hybrid AB crossbred back to performance lines. Looks very Kershner pheno

 

Also there was an earlier post on Margentina’s Sargent Rock, I’m working on the answer for that post. Sorry if my response is else on the mobile site & it’s acting up! Lol

 

LOL...thanks for setting me strait BB ....i dont no why the fuck i thought it a Colby dog???..lol.
not sure why i thought that lol.

 

kershner makes sense..Don did say the dog was half his blood.
Don and Kershner were close so it seems likly.

 

No sweat my friend, There's way to much to remember when it comes to dogs.

 

I’ve been doing a little digging into the true origins of the AB, before they were popularized by Johnson & Scott. Historically speaking we know there were large athletic bulldogs from 60-100lbs female to male sizes. Some of the dogs more closely resemble the old catch weight apbt’s. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this!

 

You know Lisa...ive claimed a similare origen for these dogs as you.
Now instead of me rambleing on, and sounding totally goofy saying some one crossed a show pug bulldog with a game bred bulldog then inbred, then out bred, to a mastiff...i would rather say,that the American Bulldog is the product of breeding big APBTs togther to get bigger APBTs purely for pig hunting.but also useing outcrosses to mastiff type dogs to also increase the size...
being from a working prospective that is..as i beilive the originals were bred for such a task...

John D Johnson is reputed to have stated he belives the original stock came from a English settlement at Savannah in 1733..or so Hancock says...
now i doubt the dogs from the settlement in 1733 are the same dogs we call today American Bulldog...
but it seems very likly someone would want to recreate these dogs from 1733..quite simply by crossing big weight-catch weight APBTs with a bigger dog like a mastiff or a bull x hound of some sort...witch would recreate them dogs from 1733 in generl type ..it would be quite easy to do..it would take some hard culling.but apart from that grim side-it would be relativly easy to do so.And it would produce a dog with the desire to catch a pig in the same way a APBT dose..but with none of the desire to fight with other dogs like the APBT..and ofcourse increase the size.

To sum it up...and ive just made a muddle of what i just wrote i suppose..
to sum it up ...worker to worker is how they were bred.
regardless of pedigee...if them dogs caught pigs in a reasonable manner ..well thats all that matters!


It would be nice to get to the bottom of all this..
and this is the best place to have this discussion i think..

Lets here it folks!
Whats all your suggestions???

 

I just said it would take hard culling but apart from that it would be reletivly easy to do so....

Ill retract some of that lol...
yes some would be culled with no mersy if they faild..but most of the weak would of perished in that feild to...
and easy to do so??i retract that also,
as i should not make such bold statements to be honest..
because we also need to look at the enviroment these dogs were bred in...and ill bet it was tough.

Remote.
hot.very hot even.
hard hunting.and big pigs.
^^^^^^^^
them ones the main.....
but a lot of other things would need to be considerd to.

Nice topic.

 

Leavitt bred Old English Bulldog.Leavitt recreated Old English Bulldog.HE used some APBT ,Mastiff,American Bulldog in recipe .

 

I don't think u can pin down an origin for the American bulldog except for the name. Historically, They had a purpose and there was a need for that type of dog, Home protection, catch dog, farm work, whatever. I think they started w -bulldogs- as a function, not how we look at breeds today by the name. There are dozens of pics floating around the web of pioneers, soldiers, farmers, etc w this type dog. Some of them look just like what we would call an AB today. Spanish, English, French, Italians, and others had -bulldogs-. They did the breedings for the function, not the name.

 

Are these types worked mate??

 

As a catch dog.

 

Not all APBT is good at catch work.I don't know of any breed That's bee good for just catch work but you tale individuals that are good at it and you go from there.APBTs are no exception.Some good and some are not.

 

Haha no I don’t think it’s rambling I find you thoughts very interesting & would have to agree! I have read the catch weight dogs are more closely related to the original working English Bulldogs that don’t have a pushed in face, they had long muzzles, reverse scissor bite, deep chest & more leg then Tina Turner lol. Also not sure of the year but the Spanish at one point were in the southern USA? They brought with them the Alano’s or Spanish Bulldogs carrying colours from red, Buckskin to brindle. The original bulldogs from England were also the same colour until they mixed in the white English Terrier. That cross is supposed to be the actual start of the apbt again according to old books, then from there they mixed in Manchester Terrier, staff, Irish dogs, rat terriers to patterdale s& that is why the foundation pits are so different in type & size. It makes sense if you go through the old writings, paintings & engravings. With the Bulldogs & Gamedogs. The early pheno for both is there if you do your homework

Great conversation Soze!