Parvo

how can i say i wasn't there but i know i had a lot of dramas with pavo till got the vaccinations upto date and had no dramas since and i vac all puppys now on time ...

 

i forgot to mention the antibiotics too!

 

that bitch that you lost. Did she welp that litter pups you had at the time of the out break?

 

This dude takes his dog to the vet!!....omg!!...my dogs will die on my yard before I take a dog bacc to the vet!!...those ppl are scammers!!...noway in hell I trust those bastards!!..I had one tell me pitbull are easy to get parvo than any other dog!!..WTF!!...I looked at him like hecwas crazy and told him u have got to be kidding on wat u just said!!...this same vet told me black pitbulls are very, very easy to get!!...when he said that I picked my pup up and have never been bacc to a vet again!!..they will die here wit me if I can't save them!!

 

actually, some breeds are more susceptible to getting parvo. APBTs being one of them as well as dobies and dachshunds.

 

oh really!!....wats the difference between a apbt system and another dog system?

 

FYI it is not CPV2 that is "new". CPV (Canine Parvo Virus) Also the strain is CPV2 but there is already a variant 2a and 2b that do have vaccine protection. But the "new variant" that is not in ANY vaccine is CPV 2c. Get your facts straight.

Now there is cross protection for CPV2c when given the vaccine. Is there a vaccine on the market that specifically is for 2c no. But the CPV2 (2a and 2b) there is a vaccine for that variant. Now remember not all vaccines are the same. There are differnces. Not all vaccines carry the same protection for certain strains. Just because it is a "5way, 7way" does not mean it targets all the strains and variants for parvo.

It boils down to properly vaccintating your animals and you will be ok. ALL the parvo cases I have seen in the almost 8 years were from owners not properly vaccinating their animals.

They either did not give enough, did not vaccinate in proper intervals, stopped to early, handling errors, or did not give the vaccines at all.

That is why vets do not recognize breeder vaccines. To much room for error. If you do not know what you are doing, get the wrong type of vaccine, and many other factors.

Veterinary Professionals stay on top of newly emerging strains, variants, and changes in research. They do not just go tot he feed store and get a 7 way. And think that the dog is covered.


My source of information. Which is MUCH more reputable than your parvo aide. LMAO. ​

CANINE PARVOVIRUS: AN EMERGING,
RE-EMERGING, SIGNIFICANT PATHOGEN OF
DOGS​

Sanjay Kapil, DVM, MVSc, PhD, DACVM
Oklahoma Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab
Center for Veterinary Health Sciences
Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK​

Transferrin receptors on the cell surface bind the CPV capsid at amino-acid 426 of viral protein-2 (VP2), which is exposed on a raised region of the capsid at a threefold axis of symmetry. Although other surface epitopes also participate in the antigenic profile of CPV, this critical codon at aa-426 is the basis for genotype assignment of CPV strain variants. Asparagine (AAT) at aa-426 differentiates CPV-2 from CPV-2b, which has aspartic acid (GAT), or from CPV-2c, which has glutamic acid (GAA) at that position.​

From February 2006 to July 2008, a total of 147 CPV samples have been genotyped at the Oklahoma Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab (OADDL), of which 13 were CPV-2, 83 were CPV-2b, 67 were CPV- 2c, and one was mixed CPV-2b and CPV-2c. There are other reports of mixed CPV-2 infections.​

Based on this survey, CPV-2c has been detected in 15 states (AL, AR, AZ, CA, DE, FL, GA, KS, MO, NH, NJ, OK, OR, SC, TX). CPV 2c has also been detected in many of the countries of the European Union, South America, North America, and Asia. Australia is free of CPV-2c. There are no recent reports of CPV-2 testing from Africa.​

Clinical signs of CPV-2c are similar to other CPV-2 viruses. However, many cases have yellow mucous diarrhea. Hemorrhagic enteritis is also commonly observed in cases of CPV-2c. Age distribution among the 147 cases genotyped at OADD Lab was follows.

There were 12 dogs over 12 months or above age group. Out of these 7 were typed as CPV-2c, 4 were CPV-2b, and one was CPV-2. There are other reports of CPV-2c in adult dogs from Italy. Various breeds of dogs were affected by CPV-2c.

There are several commercially available modified live virus vaccines in the US. These vaccines contain one of the genotypes: CPV-2, CPV-2a, or CPV-2b isolates of the parvovirus. These high titer vaccines have been recommended as core vaccines for dogs for the prevention of CPV enteritis.

The most common recommended vaccination protocol includes the puppy shots at 8, 10, and 12 weeks of age. A booster is given at 1 year of age. There are some vaccines that can be given every 3 years and most are given annually. One of the vaccines is a recombinant canary pox vectored vaccine. All vaccines use the same virus repeatedly to booster the immunity.

This practice of vaccination needs to be compared with vaccination strategy using shots containing different CPV-2 genotypes at the time of booster as proposed by us recently. There are various reasons the vaccination can fail. The most common reason is presence of high titers of maternal antibodies that will neutralize the incoming virus. However, there is very little possibility that modified live virus vaccines can cause the disease. Most of the infections in the field are due to wild type CPV viruses.




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Certain breeds are more susecptable in getting certain diseases. And Rotties, Dobes, "pit bulls", Labs, German Sheps, English Springer Spaniels, Alaskian sled dogs are to getting parvo.

This is according to the Veterinary infectious disease bookI am looking at this very moment as I type this. I am at work.

 

I wanted to add that Sub-q fluids will not work in severly dehydrated animals. So no you can not do sub-q in all cases. Depends on the condition of the animal. IV fluids are the best route. And I would not do sub-q on one of mine.

 

We usually catch it in the beginning so we have not had any problems with using Sub-Q on the ones we don't send to the vets.

 

Wat about the blacc apbt?....is it true that blacc apbt's are more susecptable to catch parvo than any other apbt's?

 

Again sub-q fluids is not the best option. IV fluids are. Once dogs reach a certain dehydration level sub-q fluids will not work.

Question how many dogs have you had with parvo?

It said nothing about color. Just breed that are predisposed.

 

the one female i had was a black female and she died..... my red one was like new after 3 days...not saying black dogs are more proned though

 

are you the same dude that had the accidental breeding and wasbragging how you could 1500 bucks for your "real" pitbulls?

 

Are u talking about me?...if u are I have no ideal on wat u are talkin about!

 

Genetic make-up? Just like Collies and Dalmations are more prone to blindness than most other breeds or why big dogs get dysplasia but small ones rarely do. You could use this theory with humans too, sort of like black people can get sicle cell aminia and white folks don't, does it mean black people are different than white people? no, but yet white people don't get it. It's a known fact certian breeds of dog are more prone to certian health problems than others. APBT's are far more likey to get parvo than most any other breed of dog. You can't argue with known factual statistics.

As far as the OP, to tell people to not vaccinate their dogs is loney at best. Thats like saying hey folks don't get your kids the MMR shot cause it may cause autisum, ( I'd rather have my kid live with autism than die from MMR). I'm not saying Parvobusters is wrong or right, but I would take the protocol for vaccination from the 27 Vet schools in this country over some internet site any day of the week! As would the majority of the population of logical thinkers.

By the way I have been into the dogs for 15 years, and have never had a case of parvo here on this yard. I've given many vaccs myself and had many done by the vet and never once have had a bad thing happen to any of my dogs or pups, ever.

I think people get very confused by the word Vaccine, It's not a save all cure, some can actually catch the virus your tring to prevent (if live modified) while others will have no side effects what so ever, and others will just simply not build antibodies to what it is your tring to vaccinate agince. When looked at in a twisted light, Vaccines can look bad but tell that to an african with polio:rolleyes: I say that because here in the states we have eradicated that disease due to vaccinating agince it while kids in other countries, where vaccines are limited, still suffer from it... In other words an ounce of prevention is better than a pound for the cure. Anyways, incase anyone is interested or cares, this is the current protocal for Vaccinating dogs in this country, Adopted by all 27 Vet Schools in the States ( you know, the people who also study these things every day since Vaccines have been available):rolleyes:

Enjoy this very long read:

Dr. Jean Dodd's NEW vaccine protocol:

Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools.

Hi everyone.... THIS is wonderful news, that the veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year "boosters") is only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There
still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3 year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

I hope you all stop having yearly boosters for your pets. If you're concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if you had have shots every year. If mammals immune systems were that weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have been extinct years ago!

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH

I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics.
Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs those concerned about potential side effects.

Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY

"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given
a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced."

Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's
milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of
the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6
months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS

Distemper & Parvo *"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr.
Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.

**Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough". Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).*

*RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.

*Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective
than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts preventing transmission of disease.

**VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.*

*Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS:

Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America, 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats and vice versa.*

Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston.

*VACCINES BADLY NEEDED

New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS

Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding business who will honor the new vaccine facilities reluctant to change.

CONCLUSION

Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, & feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not.

Imagine the money you will save, not to mention less risks from side effects, risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with less risk of serious reactions.

The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest endorsement for these new protocols.*

*Dr. Bob Rogers*

Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes.

DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines:

1. Distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apartconcluding at 16 weeks of age.*

2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)

3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)*

1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months 2 years or older

1. Rabies within last year

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months

3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily within the last year.

Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.


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^------ This isn't extremely new by the way, however both my vets still say this is accurate to date.

 

I've treated maybe 5 or 7 that made it without going to the vets at my work. None of my dogs have ever had it. Sub-Q fluids is all I have to work with, if the pups are so bad that they need IV they have to see the vet.