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Scatterbred dogs

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by maddog2020, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    No Shit, You put back off topic my friend . No offense its all good. Im all for going back to the topic. As i said you asked. Go War Eagles....
     
  2. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    As always Great post TDK You are a Man that has way more on hands knowlege. I can only read about these Great Dog men . Thank You
     
  3. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    For my friend Bama man
     
  4. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Great post as always TDK, I love reading them. Always feel like I learn something from every one of them.
     
  5. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Me 2 . I would love 2 here more from TDK. I Love to learn and he is always on point......
     
  6. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    From reading and looking at the peds of the ones that are posted, I came to my own conclusion That Just About Every great Match dogs ped seems to go back to the Colby yard. I love colby dogs.
     
  7. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Agree 100%!!
     
  8. ourgalsunday

    ourgalsunday Big Dog

    Often when you read about members dogs here , they will bring up how there dog wants any dog they see , if not boasting OR you can't even breed my bitch or visa versa .

    But I always admired & admire , the pit dog who knows how to be puppy with a dog not putting in a challenge, it shows a fine temperament . A temperament pits would be best off with now more then ever .

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    It's also a warning of truth to owners of the APBT who keep them as just dogs . for years you might say look how puppy playful my Boy is . Yet he might be like Pincher @ 40%
     
  9. Foundation

    Foundation Big Dog

    virgil is cleanly bred... LOL Colby is the most honest dogs genetically, the oldest solid strain, and family without any wash. Most all dogs as we know have colby in the foundation if not built on it as foundation.

    Virgils topside is Colby X Redboy with some OF lines brought together. Redboy is colby and OF .. 7/8 Colby 1/8 OF .. so those are the genetics being solidified and pushed with redboy. So that whole topside is actually relatively clean. The bottom is mostly eli, boudreaux/carver which is just DIBO RASCAL or Corvino/Heinzl inbred as it gets, a family of dogs from Blind billy. .. Those shots of jeep just add shots of loposay (colby) in all that boudreaux on the bottom half..

    so on top virgil is mostly colby genetics with OF as a kicker and on bottom its all dibo with a loposay (colby genetic) catalyst. Remember the single individual is showing genetic traits that represent 20,000 + ancestors in both genome and phenom. So look back on that bottom of the top ;) and that was some backwoods boys keepin meddlin stuff together, the most scatter bred dog in there is the OF dog where all the goodies were brought together.

    Colby family is the only still existing bloodline untouched going back to the boats... It is the genetic source for most even many of Corvinos dogs. It is the foundation of most all bulldogs in this country today.

    Virgil is a X that has worked time and again since since.. Colby X OF or Colby X Dibo ... its a cross not really scattered. Just a X. I see the top as mostly loposay cleaned up with genetic source colby and I see the OF in there as a kicker for that bit in redboy, the bottom Boudreaux.. bascially Virgil is bred similar to jeep .. Loposay X Boudreaux. Just remember that colby in there is where loposay got his stock and what redboy is. Its no different than all them folks lining up all the boudreaux blood through eli dogs that were bred differently but tight in various hands. A family breeder is going to look for such to pull their own genetic source back themselves so as not to taint their stock but to add genetic diversity. Dogs breed true to their genetic code.


    In crayon.. ... All bulldogs come from or have a fair amount of Colby in there foundation. So dipping back in is just refreshing genetic diversity with BREED source, so as to not loose anything but to gain whats been lost line breeding a family of dogs from one or two dogs.
     
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  10. Foundation

    Foundation Big Dog


    Yup.. which is all and the only reason I mention it.

    It is genetic source and or foundation or partial foundation to many dogs some in more way than one like Virgil You can follow that colby family stuff back and match up all sorts of dogs from all that redboy and loposay and further back with foundation dogs as well. It is genetically superior to any other strain or family to use as a clean outcross. (to use as a clean outcross) being the key words.

    remember Heinzl said he seen harder rolls and better dogs in J.P.s yard than he ever seen in the match... ... and as was said, great many of ECrenshaw etc dogs bascially colby dogs were rung into Carver Eli stuff. ... so for clean untouched genetic source, its the best way to clean any line up. As for scatter bred I demonstrated a scatterbred dog. You want a scatterbred winner for example? Tater salad comes to mind, Croata and a few other foreign dogs I can think of are definitely scattered. ... ...
     
  11. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Good stuff yall. someone needs to change the topic to scatter brained ...lol..just some slight humor!!
    Good to see all touching on the sub topic, and most of the folks and dogs yall have hit on were top notch. They were not just throwing dogs together and wishing for the best.They had Direction and purpose. Freshining up genetics and going back always seems to bring it back and clean up very nice..
    another good new name for the thread - pedology 101.
    Glad to see all you folks posting on this - this thread has shot right up there with awesome info and we are blessed to have folks here that can read pedigrees and and break it down to crayon for those willing to learn.
     
  12. Louis Cypher

    Louis Cypher Big Dog

    And all of this traces back to the Old Family dogs, simply put.
     
  13. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    This info is wonderful. You have obviously put your heart into gathering that info. Great post Foundation !!!
     
  14. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Just wanted to say this has made me laugh so much 2day, My stomach aches....
     
  15. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Ps thank you all 4 the truth as you have learned....
     
  16. Foundation

    Foundation Big Dog

    Thank you guys... as well; I love pedology 101 :)
     
  17. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Glad to see you on here as much as me Foundation..Missed talking to you man!!
     
  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    And all this makes is for some intersting reading...It all goes back to the old saying...If the dogs in the front of the ped aint worth a shit it doesnt matter how good the ones in the back were.
     
  19. Foundation

    Foundation Big Dog

    well that being said how many cold dogs or cur dogs produced? .. Yup :) Cause folks don't know what they got, except for what they're looking is a representation of 20,000+ DNA characteristics sources looking back at you. Which is the purpose of family and lines, and such. To solidify traits of course. HOWEVER sometimes a scatttershot dog is just what needs to be brought to the table when every X has been looked at and the lines as tight as you can get it without losing crucial phenome diversity. Its pretty simple guys, work the dogs. Just cause no one is working those dogs don't mean they aren't the Genetic source. It also does not mean they have lost anything if they are still breeding and keeping according to J.P.s standard. The ped should show you what dog or dogs that individual takes after, so if it aint worth a shit then it could be one dog in 256 that causes that. Take one lil piece of recipe away and its not the same at all...

    Mccoy! yeah, work has wound down a lil.. so. Gives me a lil time to run the boards see whats up.
     
  20. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    lots of folks wont breed cold dogs.. few have with sucess...but how many?...not many i bet ..Ill have to stick with what i see.
     

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