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Similarties/differences in feeding the racing greyhound and the APBT

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by Torresbeag, May 1, 2013.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The food sources are one in the same for both communities and the training has become a little more sport specific over the years. Long hand walks are beneficial to both groups. That usually mean the lead is tight and the dog is pulling back and forth in a forward motion. Both need initial bursts of energy with one needing to maintain muscular endurance/power and the other muscular endurance/speed. Both power (power is the combination of strength and speed) and speed require a high fat content diet, actually out of balance for the normal not in keep/not it racing form dog. Switching a dog to a high fat diet six to eight weeks out prior to hard work will allow his body to adjust and ;look; for fat as an energy source. The Krebbs factor and all, fat provides more energy and more water (dog is cooler) than protein or carbs. The dogs need the protein to recover.
    A bulldog needs the initial burst of power to get where he wants to be and that may be wrestling his way to a spot. It is the combination of strength and speed that allows him to do this. The greyhound needs that same strength to accelrate but the speed becomes the primary factor as the muscles are used to generate speed vs. generate position or carry the weight of another dog. The work for each mimic what they are required to do in their respective sport. S
     
  2. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    Oh shit this is getting FUNNY !!!!!!.
    Again limey makes assumptions and epona sets him straight, eastern Eu vs Western Eu, there is a difference.

    Big D, you even calling this food crap just shows how much you know.
    First of the fresh roosters aren't even bio industry, if you look close you can stil see the mud on the feed from the farm land they have been raised on.
    This was fresh from the land, the lamb content was freshly slaughtert that day by an islamic butcher, so it's even halal LOL.
    This was just a smal portion of the things i feed my dogs, they also get fresh fruit and veggies, seaweed etc.

    Big D here is 1 of you earlier quotes.
    But now i don't know shit hey and what i feed my dogs is crap.
    When i supported some of the things you say i'm an educated man and now i'm a joker according to you.
    You need to stop posting so much on forums maybe then you wil remember what you have said earlier to someone.
    You are a big clown, who just is making a fool of himself.
     
  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    First credit must be given where credit is due. Limey has won with a lot of dogs over a lot of years. The feed he chooses is a big part of his success. So if he were feeding potatoes and onions fried in chicken grease and the dogs were winning then there is not a lot of argument that can be made as long as he stated his original goal is winning dogs. If he says he feeds the way he does and it is based on science and the advanced research and information that is available now, then there is reason for argument. His means and methods are from years back but with that said they work, and the dogs have not evolved to where they are no longer effective.
    You have to remember he was doing this stuff before a lot of the forum members were old enough to own dogs, and doing very well in high level competition. Do I think he would be better served to accept research and the bettering that comes with time? Yes. With that said, when it comes to getting one of these dogs from here to there, he is a valuable resource. S
     
  4. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    I agree 100% with Slim...Limey is experienced. Take his info for what its worth to you!
     
  5. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    You are right sire, everything can be found in a good and solid raw diet.
    For a few months i did gave my dogs the red mills with the health tonic.
    Mainly because a guy i know was working with Big D and gave me a good discount on the items.
    It's not bad for your dog and it's a good kibble, al my dogs were eating it without any problems.
    I didn't noticed that much change in my dogs after a few months.
    The main thing that i didn't like as in any kibble, is the amount of shit they produce, Big D can say al he wants, they do shit more then on raw and the fact they needed to take a shit as soon as they were outside.
    While with raw it's the other way around, lesser shit and they don't start pulling straight away for the bushes to take a shit.

    When it comes to the info he gives well i prefer to take my info from other people in general.
    If he does has something solid i wil also say so or don't say anything.
    What i posted above is pretty clear, when you agree with him you know and are educated and when you don't agree, you don't know anything.
     
  6. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    Ok from what I have gotten out of limey's posts is he's against raw and pushes his own feed and supplements that's fine he sells what he believes in to work and makes a profit doing it so why would he push anything else . Limey has a proven track record and success no one takes that from him at least I don't. But a raw diet is better than any commercial dog feed out there I don't care what anyone says. No disrespect to Limey and his years of success. I feed raw and I will never feed commercial dog food again. Even when I was paying close to 70 dollars a bag for top shelf dog feed my dogs still pooped more than they did on raw.
     
  7. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    OK let me comend on some stuff. first of Joe Black a reality chek!!. YOU have never been actif in your life in showing a dog ofisially besides fooling around in your living room from who you got evicted from(yes the walls have ears). Second you are feeding SBT/pitbull crosses. who due to that are CUR bred!!!.
    Tird YOU have never given one single dog a keep and checkt out the outcome of your raw feeding diet!!. Infact i heardt tru the grapevine you where looking for something to start with but have no car nor transport and no meds. And askt for help if stuf might have been done hunting your doggie!!!...so altho you can put out a post ore two your still a G.D ROOKY!!!.
    My advice ,first things first learn to shut up when you need to, second dont argue with people as if you know , because you dont!!.Tird go build up some ecsperiensed and name for yourself first..you know learn to walk befor you run!! As you are umongst the syber warriors i ment with""We arrived with Traveling did you!!!"" I gues you didnt get the message .
    And sins you keep on going talking BS against me as if you KNOW me ore know stuff about me, fed to you bij a nobody looser from the past makes you at least in my circels ""to put it out mildly"".Ignorend.

    Now you might and are able to keep up aperenses for the ignorend masses wichs is 90% on all these forums.And get a kick out of arguing against me, not with me because from my point of view as i have nothing to agrue with you hensh i put most of your posts aside. I asume your posts towards me gives you a good warm and fuzzy feeling. from where you show off to the other Rookys your dealing with, like Look what im doing!!! im a bold bad ass MF. funny thing is that you also mention ""ïm compleatly done with you"" in one of your resend post, made us laughf our asses of as you tried to protent to others as if we know echother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, If thats your kick then thats your bisenis.
    But it gets enoing at some stage...

    It looks like love and hate they stand real close together.
    And it seems im your man who you love to hate. for the shear fact i ""have"" been EVERYTING you always wanted to, be but you are not!!!..NOR ever will be........
    The fact that you came up with that post where i said what i said. wel wat can i say touche you might think!!!..
    But afther looking at those pictures and your Neanderthal diet of high bulk chunks of meat whether it is the good stuf ore bio industry crap thussend matter!!.

    I see nothing but meat meat meat bone bone organs organs. nothing els. organs like kidnies and liver contain WAIST materials as they are used to keep the body CLEAN. In the old days""TINY" little bits of liver where given"to ad some vita/ minerals.to your dogs. but the side efects of the crap in them when feeding to mutch ways not up to the bennifits... Do you actualy KNOW how mutch of everyting to feed to your dogs.
    and do you know how mutch Bone(dicalsium fosfate) ore al the mineral building blocks needed to get one grow up and get one in shape .
    And wat is needed to feed to your dog for him to put as less strain posible on its system. And ore to make sure he is not getting to mutch of one mineral and to little from another .
    Wich can and WILL heurt your dogs life and performance in the long run.... the specific greyhound working dog feeds are mutch closer to wat a working dog needs.

    when sience came out with PURER more consentraighted muilty vitamins minerals who had no/lesser waiste minerals/ vitamins ecetera to put a strain on the hard working system.things changed
    same with everyting that has been divelopt over the decades to ENHANSED endurance and speed and strenght.

    So what do the high end breeders racers ore conditioners of wroking dogs ore horses do. Do they feed there dogs another chunk of raw!! ore a bale of straw!!!??.
    Ore do they SPECIFICLY AD what a dog/horse needs to customize its diet for optimal efect!!! Bij ading one ore two suplemends!! on a mutch more alredy specificly sientific divelopt kibble diet from who we and they know is as good and as close to perfect diet a dog needs.. without dubbeling up on EVERYTING.

    And for the record WHITE meat based diets in the likes of chicken has a gronicel shortige of IRON!!.you know the building blocks of HEMOGLOBINE...

    So yes when i look at your RAW CRAP diet wich is not iven considerd a HOME MIX in the PROFESIONAL scene as there is a lack of sereals and veggies ecetera not even mentioning the minerals below!, it shows me you are not feeding you dog the right stuf. chek out this sientific researchst mineral wizer and you see the LACK OF. hensh i said that Epona was the medium joker crap raw diet. as he at least shows of some ""form"" of adding minerals.



    [​IMG]
    • Essential Minerals including highly-available TruCal milk Calcium and Phosphorous, and protected forms of Iron, Zinc and Iodine.
    • Essential Vitamins including natural Vitamin E, A, D, H, K, and the B-Complex Vitamins.
    Constituents per 1kg <!--span style="color:#FF0000; font-weight:bold;">(as on the back of the bag)</span-->



    <table><tbody><tr><th>Calcium</th><td class="alignleft sepration">22.5%</td><th>Phosphorous</th><td class="alignleft">6.0%</td></tr><tr><th>Sodium</th><td class="alignleft sepration">3.75%</td><th>Potassium</th><td class="alignleft">1.25%</td></tr><tr><th>Magnesium</th><td class="alignleft sepration">0.5%</td><th>Iron (as iron amino acid chelate)</th><td class="alignleft">1500mg</td></tr><tr><th>Zinc (as zinc sulphate)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">1875mg</td><th>Copper (as copper sulphate)</th><td class="alignleft">375mg</td></tr><tr><th>Zinc (as zinc amino acid chelate)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">1875mg</td><th>Manganese (as manganese sulphate)</th><td class="alignleft">250mg</td></tr><tr><th>Iodine (as calcium iodate)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">50mg</td><th>Selenium (as sodium selenite)</th><td class="alignleft">3.75mg</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin A (Retinol)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">500000iu</td><th>Yeast </th><td class="alignleft">150g</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">50000iu</td><th>Vitamin E (Alpha tocopherol acetate)</th><td class="alignleft">5000iu</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin H (Biotin)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">12.5mg</td><th>Vitamin K3 (Methadione)</th><td class="alignleft">50mg</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin B1 (Thiamin)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">250mg</td><th>Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)</th><td class="alignleft">375mg</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin B3 (Niacin)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">2000mg</td><th>Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid)</th><td class="alignleft">875mg</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">250mg</td><th>Vitamin B9 (Folic Acid)</th><td class="alignleft">50mg</td></tr><tr><th>Vitamin B12 (Cobalamine)</th><td class="alignleft sepration">1000ug</td><th>Choline Chloride</th><td class="alignleft">6250mg</td></tr></tbody></table>
    Contains natural plant extracts to help control dog odour.
    Feeding Guidelines <!--span style="color:#FF0000; font-weight:bold;">(as on the back of the bag)</span-->



    <table><thead><tr><th class="alignL" colspan="6">FEEDING RATE PER DOG PER DAY</th></tr><tr><th class="alignL"></th><th>100% Gain
    Dog Food

    </th><th>50% Gain Dog Food
    50% *Home-mix

    </th><th>100%
    *Home-mix

    </th></tr></thead><tbody><tr class="bold"><th>10kg pup</th><td> 0 </td><td>3g</td><td>6g</td></tr><tr class="bold"><th>20kg sapling</th><td> 0 </td><td>6g</td><td>12g</td></tr><tr class="bold"><th>30kg adult</th><td> 0 </td><td>9g</td><td>18g</td></tr><tr class="bold"><th>40kg adult</th><td> 0 </td><td>12g</td><td>24g</td></tr></tbody></table>
    (*Home-mix = meat, vegetables, cereals, etc.) Maximum daily feeding rate = 0.6g per 1kg dog weight.




    Sadiesblues i do NOT push my OWN feed nor suplemends(my sons compagny) as they can be bought ALL over the world!!. I do stand behind a 500.000.000 high end industry that has brought many including yours truly great benifits in the past.. from where i can say that in combination with conditioning and feeding we have been able to compeat at the track against dog who where(read this) at times beter then ours!!!. There are NOT lots of people on here from where i come from!!!!!.. most of the stuf comes from Australia/the UK/Irland/and the USA. so its NOT a sales pitch...........However we do give everybody our gained nolige and experience we gatherd if they do purchase and ask....

    The foods mentiond ore used and wat we discuse about are NON comersional. but SPECIFIC for a groop of high end profesional scene of dogs where lots of money breeding selecting and blood swet and tears go around.
    I chalenge you ore anybody els try to find those suplemends ore feeds in a ordenary pet store!!! near you. belive me when i say you wil not find them.. as it is a NON comerional.and NON pet industry but a Spesific high end feed/ suplemend industry.......wichs has NOTHING to do with the comerional pet food industry..
     
  8. Epona

    Epona Banned

    I think i have all written about raw feeding, but when it comes down to the poop.

    Shit man Raw feeding let my dogs stop gravity my dogs are houdini trough that i will never change :D

    http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=20626824 hahahahaha no fake on that foto, i was beside the dog when he done this modern art.

    PARENTAL ADVISORY, EXPLICIT CONTENT
     
  9. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    Limey You don't know shit and i don't understand your rambling but then again, i'm not suffecating from a D mayfield complex.
    Never said i was active in the first place and let everybody read on a public forum that i'm not.
    Best thing that could happend yet.
    BTW didn't you say you are retired, so why bother breeding dogs in the first place, you don't show or anything ????
    I would reither have no legacy as the 1 you build up after you gor permission to run under the name limey kennels.
    Again, Ducking avoiding, never paying up after a loss and making up for al kind of excusses after a loss.

    What Big D hurt by the fact that you first quote that i knew what i was talking about and you next calling me other thing.
    Come to my home town then and pay me a visit if you have so much problems with it.
     
  10. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    YOU know full wel wat im on a about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. And to have a Don mayfield complex you need to whant to be one just like him .
    wich everybody knows i dont have nor whant ,far from it!!! I actualy have real life ecspeiensed information stuf to share!!!!..YOU DONT.... So the cat is out of the bag your not actif never have been.Sins the rest of the world now knows, who the hell do you think you are to discuss diets feeding nutrition in the first place if you have NON. As i said your a NR1 SYBER WARRIOR who has read some books and sirf the internet and pretents.. F..king nobody Glad that one is cleared up.

    For your redicules question to know why i am a breeder (and breeding consulant) today is that with al the ecspeariensed build up from days gone by im ABLE TO DO SO. and know what makes a good breeding!!! . Unless you cur bred crosses... You do REALIZE this forum is called""The Game dog A pitbull comunety""
    As for the ducking and not apering up. i realy like to know when where and where the hell you got that from!!. so we can ecspose your sorry ass sours and you as wel... OOH dont tell me you got that from this forum from that banned Idiot Keystone and his assholle buddy who buy now is practicly out of the dogs afther never been into them in the first place. just making a couple of untested to far inbred combinations. and who tried to dwel on our food/diet/suplemend sucses.. To ad some more to this comend how the hell can YOU use frazes from people who never been in the {} themselfs and tell me i duckt while you have never been actif!! your self and are a SYBER WANNABEE DOGMAN. Where the hell are you coming from!!???...

    As for your last lines "Do i ""have"" to quote myself is saying"">>>The fact that you came up with that post where i said what i said. wel wat can i say touche you might think!!!..
    But afther looking at those pictures and your Neanderthal diet of high bulk chunks of meat whether it is the good stuf ore bio industry crap thussend matter!!.

    I see nothing but meat meat meat bone bone organs organs. nothing els""""<<<<<
    get a life... At least TRY to make a efford in preserving this breed..Noughf Said.
     
  11. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    yes entire prey animals so so bad for your dog hahaha.
    As said in the post just a part of what i give them, again a long blablabla post
     
  12. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    No your posts are getting shorter becuase your ecsposed as a syber warrior and have F..k al to say...
     
  13. Epona

    Epona Banned

    limey pls show me a paper where is stated what money your beloved 500 000 000 usd industry does put which amount from that money in sience studies to create performance food.

    and that studies too pls
     
  14. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Epona Nobody nor me said so. with the industry they meen The dog bisenis in breeding dogs, selling dogs, raceing, Dog food, sumplemends ecetera . the intyer greyhoud scene world wide..
     
  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Limey Kennels? Terry from England? I was giving credit to a guy who was doing dogs back in the day with incredible success. We both had Alligator dogs out of the same litter and down from some of Gary's really nice dogs. I did not know it was a case of using a name. Name recognition is a brilliant marketing strategy. I made a couple of posts defending the background of Terry and Limey kennels based on personal history. Like a lot of customers/consumers in the world I was taken in my the name not knowing the 'name' had been loaned out over the years. I read the posts in a different light now. S
     
  16. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Slim12 Sorry for the late responds....
    apresiate your post................Thanks..
     
  17. Epona

    Epona Banned

    and now we come closer to your spelling ;)

    limey as i stated i never would say that a good quality kibble food is crap like you called a raw diet, if you want i can add a photo of the indigrents from the supplements i add to my raw feeding programm.

    No we come to that point where i say a raw feeding plan with used brain is always better for a dog than a bag of kibble, i add the supplements to the raw meat as dry form powder, i know my dogs i can count it with my 2 hands because my rule is "never have more dogs than you can handwalk on a working day", and i know which dog needs more or less supplement and i mix the stuff for every dog from the scratch, you use a "allround" kibble food there is a "allround" average of supplements inside, in my raw food is not a allround amount of supplements there is the perfect mix for the invidual dog i feed inside.

    Im not interested in greyhound feeding and i say you why, when i make a call and ask the next guy who feed their dog with good quality kibble and i ask them what they feed in the keep i will hear "we add liver, chicken, raw meat, muscle meat, fruits, vegetables"

    Maybe you can feed a performance Greyhound all around with kibble, i dont know about that becaus im not interested in these dogs.
    but in [] dogs you cant feed only kibble, i guess 99% of all keeps that used today show you that.

    Its like another one written, a greyhound doesnt need ne power a [] dog need to wrestle their opponent down, sure you can go on higher or lower percentage of protein etc with another bag of kibble, but when you feed raw with brain you can adjust it perfect - and that you will never become with bag(s) of kibble.
     
  18. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Slim no marketing long story short T goldey lived in my house for many many years is godfather of my son. and we had many adventures together.. I was in the MR Bulldogs cam aka Jansen first owner and breedr of Spike and Nelisrom.Goldey was my mentor he caried the line for 9 years uptill just befor the dangeres doglaws hit the uk when the INTYER famely was smuggling over.in 1992 thats 22 years ago. happy to share info with you..
     
  19. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    MMMMMMM Epona i agree to disagree. as we do not use ALL round kibble. the kibble used is as CLOSE to what most dogs need. and from there you ad suplementary. to custom fine tune out.
    belive me many of the {} dogs overhere in te past never got anything diferend...........
     
  20. Epona

    Epona Banned

    Limey i never discredit or disrespect the dogs of the past specially the dogs and the men behind in your homeland or the keep or the feed of them, the dogs are proven the methods are proven i like the stuff that was developed in your homeland.

    we remember mr zwettler came with a truckload of luck and a good gyp (no breeding plan, no clue) and went out with great litters he had never more to do with than bring the gyp in position nothing more, these dogs are foundation dogs now in eastern europe in hardest competition and this blood is still winning - i never would do discredit to the work behind this dogs.

    I´m only the meaning when this dogs where feeded raw with the knowledge of today i guess they maybe work a bit better - needless to say we cant test it because we have no time machine - thats why we here and talking about.
     

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