Stafford ramblings

The CH Oscar dog was out of a bitch called Bluey she was a sister to Hopcrofts Bess or so i was led to believe howevor id take this with a spadeful of salt , i never found out his sire and it was impossibble to find out as hed been passed around and abused and rolled to death before i got him of Maurice Dann i know he had a brother called Tom who Oscar beat in a match and his dam produced the GRCH Brindy bitch when bred to CH Ben . Had i known his breeding then i would have bred him to all my bitches he was a great liile bulldog with a heart of a lion and in my view the best stafford i ever saw .

 

thanks springview

 

How about ch molly, T owd fella, was she bred the way everyone thinks?

 

CH Molly was out of Paddy who was a son of Geronimo , Paddy was a littermate to Candy and Woodside Lad , Paddy was bred to his sister Candy and produced my Wolf dog , the dam of CH Molly was called Timba and was bred by Les Woods of Liverpool , she was showbred with some Rapparee blood

 

Ok remember G G,s manjy x bred dog cooper? What did you think of him?

 

Seen him a number of times didnt think anything of the dog

 

seen him a number of times myself but you never said that at the time, may be as time goes on and you see more dogs you forget what you said as time goes by our memory gets worse me owd cocker !

 

Evergreen whoever you are tell me when were i spoke with you and told you anything about the Cooper dog if you think your gonna score silly points of me by insinuating i told you the Cooper dog was anything please tell me as perhaps as you say i have forgotten our conversation im always willing to be corrected

 

At george,s T!

 

Well Evergreen maybe its that i just dont remember you as i can remember Cooper well but hadnt thought about him since way back when i last saw him on GGs yard full of mange in the mid eighties but cant remember you, kinda answers your question or it could be that ive seen so many great dogs and dogmen but you just kinda slipped my mind i can but apologise for forgetting our meeting

 

May be your around me more than you know, an im sick of your shit!Chase me clevor Trevor!

 

The only people i spoke to at his yard were the two when we took the Charlie dog there and prior to that i had a brief conversation with the person that handled Cooper when he lost to the Guvnor dog either way i never told anyone the dog was a good dog .

 

Its the same ol same ol badmothing behind a name on a board well thats cool you give out my name on a board for all to see if your around me then dont gob of on the board unless you have something constructive to say dont waste my time ive had a lifetime of fools in the dog game so go elswhere and grow up you sad individual

 

Ok clevor but i dont forget the lies you told and i will let all know some day i remember a video you sent to ireland as well talking shite about your wheatens

 

Whatever i simply cant be bothered arguing with someone that hides on a board put your name up and lets see who is who instead of gobbing of like a him she yyour messages show the world what you are

 

hahahahaha!!!

 

Springview, things you write are simple and lot of it everybody knows, if you wanna breed gamedogs, you have to use gamedogs and you have to select the offspring. It's no big secret to any one on this board.
That ped's not always are what is told is something that's also known by most of us members on this board. It's in the stafford, in the abpt it's with working dogs but also in showdogs. Nothing new or shoking for most of us people.
That non kc dogs were registerd is not always for making money, the real breeding by most of the time is better than the kc registerd breeding. It can also be for safety of the dogs.

But other things you write down about dogs you know and saw is usefull information, thanks for that. But for me trying to understand your'e lesson in staff's to us i asked you already one questoin.

You are talking about pure staffords and irish mixed dogs. In your point of view are dogs like Psycho, Jocko, Beannie and all other famous irish dogs crosses, staffords or what do you think about those dogs.

 

When i first came into staffords in the late seventies i used to listen to all the experts talking about the B line the G line and how to get dogs fit and travelled everywhere learning , after a while i realised most of them were full of shit after losing plenty money buying wellbred pups or dogs that were not bred as shown , i quickly saw through most of them whilst one or two were simply uneducated about dogs themselves having been fed the spiel like i had , So i know only too well what it feels like to be ripped off . Obviously i didnt learn as it happened again when i purchased dogs from the good ol boys in America and was sent poor dogs or no dogs at all ,, even when dealing with famous dogmen who are known for being honest . I had success with dogs of both breeds that i later found out were not bred as i was told , but i believed it dont matter how there bred until you breed from them if a dog wins ten matches but is out of two curs do you not match the dog simply because its not gamebred obviously not , would i breed from succh a dog i myself wouldnt howevor its up to the owners themselves .
It seems that you have difficulty understanding what i write so once again i shall try to explain myself , dogs that have English Bull/Pitbull/Bull Mastiff/Wheaten are NOT staffords and anything bred down of them are NOT staffords but crossbreeds , they may be game but they are NOT staffords . Any dog that has dogs that quit in there breeding be they Blue/Red or black are not gamebred and you CANNOT breed gamebred dogs from them , you may breed aces but they are not gamebred . Most of the dogs being sold as KC registared Blue staffords are not staffords but croossbred and to advertise them as gamebred or staffords is wrong most if not all these dogs have dogs behind them that quit and this isnt heresay or rumour as i was there and saw the dogs quit , hence dogs from these dogs are not gamebred though its possibble to produce a game dog from two curs or cur bred dogs . Most of those who own these Blue or Red staffords were not even around when these dogs that quit were active and have been fed a lot of bullshit about the dogs usuially by someone else who wasnt there , what im telling you is facts . As for Beanie , Jocko , CH Phycho they may have been game but were not staffords , no more than CH Stormer or Irish Jach were staffords they were game but not gamebred dogs . You talk about the CH Tyler dog well he was sent to Holland as a Champion and was used at stud over here and in Holland , the Dutch boys approached me wanting to buy dogs and told me about Tyler the wonderog , i then told them the truth that he jumped the pit in his first match in about 15 mins into the Terror bitch owned by some friends of mine and that Tyler quit cold to another bitch owned by my old friend Robbie from Runcorn , the Tyler dog had one match and jumped the pit and thats it tough shit . The level of truth shown by the owners of Tyler was the same as most that brought most of the Blue staffords from Ireland dozens of litters were bred given false pedigrees long before the DDA act well known dogs quit cold but were still used at stud , but its the same the world over in all breeds near 500 were stood at pitside when Bullyson quit cold to his son Benny Bob , yet Carver had a crowd stood round him saying only his son could defeat the great Bullyson as he sold them pups for $ 500 each . In your question about Tyler you write lol and i can understand your laughter but tell me whats the difference in Tyler quitting and those Great Blue staffords behind most of todays dogs that are no more gamebred than desendants of CH Tyler would be at least those that owned them could say the was staffords though not gamebred . Last but not least it dont matter if your dogs Blue/Black/Red or goddam Pink if they aint pure staffords or gamebred dont try to tell me otherwise , if your happy with them thats fine i wish everyone success in breeding them , but to me it would be the same as buying a gallon of ice cream at the store and when sitting down to eat it finding a rat turd in it , would you eat it , that little bit of bad blood has the same affect as a rat turdo only breed from the best after the test ,peace out

 

if mad molly and johnson quit springview ...why did paddy's owner use his dog on gypsy with cur breeding close up ?

 

I don't have any difficulty to understand what you write down. But i have difficulty by people writing down lots of known information but trying to avoid answering direct questions. Nothing more nothing less then that.
About the ch. tyler dog i indeed now the dutch guy who bought him. The dog is indeed a good example af seeing is believing. Sold as ch. but quit agains a houseped in a bar.

I just asked you about those wel known irish staffords if they are stafford or not for you because if they are not in your'e opinion we have other opinion and i can quit reading kindergarden lessons. Looks like arrogancy kills a breed.