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Styles make fights!

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by bounty, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    If styles make fights then does anyone know a breeder that ever set out to breed a line of dogs with the same style? And if so what style was it?
     
  2. way back within about 100 miles of us. everyone try to get fast starting finishing dogs. breeding them or buying them didn't matter.
     
  3. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Interesting. I do know a scant few who breed dogs with certain attributes in mind. I know OF some who breed for succinct certain things. I don't know a scad of each, however. As a breeder, I know of the million sentiments there are about breeding dogs. We are all at least a little different in our approaches.
    There are certain traits which are nice to see, and if one's dogs show those traits, they may not breed on, specifically FOR these traits, yet, they surely aren't purposely going to breed AWAY from them, either.
    I know head dog lovers, face dog lovers, rear end dog lovers, leg dog lovers, chest dog lovers, dogs that have finishing qualities, straight up mouth dogs, and who knows what else that someone may like to see come on some sort of consistent basis from their dogs.
    I have always preferred dogs that are opportunists, and smart along with that......if you might consider that to be trait or style. I consider it an aspect, so, worth considering, I hope. I have always demanded one thing I considered a must, and that is gameness. Without it, all other attributes and traits fade in meaning. As to breeding, I consider them worthless without gameness.
     
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  4. tigerboy5

    tigerboy5 Big Dog

    Yes there are breeders that breed for certain styles/traits but as for the title of the thread styles are not the only things that make a fight. So no matter how consistantly a style is being produced it will still lose to every other style in the book. I dont know anybody who breeds for it but dogs with that funny fighting, cur snapping style have won over more talented dogs before. I just feel breeding for a style is far less important than the handling, conditioning and the dog you are bringing. Jmo.
     
  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator


    Great post and I agree, especially the last 3 lines of your post. I've always favored a opportunist with smarts.
    Offer the stifle and it'll get took, offer the face and it's getting peeled, go to your back and they'll eat them guts. This would be my favorite style if sporting was legal. ;)
     
  6. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    yeah those ones are hard to beat, seem to always bring you down to their level. i know someone that breeds those dogs...hahahhah
     
  7. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    TDK, most people breed with gameness in mind. What i would like to know is if anyone has bred for a certain style? And if so did there efforts get rewarded or did it turn out to be a flop. When selecting dogs to breed we take into many considerations,(gameness, air, mouth, strength, speed, pedigree, etc) hoping the good traits in the parents get passed on in at least a few of the offspring. Whats wrong with adding style to the equation? i think it will be interesting to see if anyone knows of any breeder that has attempted this.
     
  8. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    You said that there were breeders breeding for certain styles. What are those styles if you don't mind sharing...
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    People that breed within the same family for long periods of time are pretty much breeding for a style but maybe in an indirect fashion. When they start locking in on certain traits such as gameness, ability and talent, durability, etc..etc..along the way the same types of dogs pops up until they are the norm within that breeding program. So if that particular family is bred for the things mentioned it is a play on words. He is breeding that style of dog regardless of whether he is breeding FOR that style of dog. If that makes sense.
    I doubt there are any breeders who breed for face dogs or back end dogs. But when the face dogs pop up from breeding for the more important traits I believe they will continue to present themselves as long as the program is one of consistency. So when a family is built usually the styles are similar, so when one breeds within a family consistently he will get consistent styles. S
     
  10. caelel

    caelel Banned

    Good post;)
     
  11. mikegordon

    mikegordon Guest

    I think he means like eli dogs how they go for the guts.stuff like that I think he means.
     
  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    There are no correlations between styles and bloodlines. Styles can be exhibited by any bloodline and any bloodline can exhibit any style. S
     
  13. SteelyDan

    SteelyDan Big Dog


    QUITE the contrary. MOST PEOPLE wouldn't know a bulldog if slapped them in the face.
     
  14. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    Once again this is common knowledge. There are lines/ families that throw head dogs more often or body dogs more often. But if the person doing the breeding isn't only selecting ear dogs and using them in their program they are getting their results through default. I want to know if ANYONE has PURPOSEFULLY breed for a certain style... and if so what were the results, that's all!
     
  15. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Yes and the result was that after a while they got the style they were looking for in high percentages.
     
  16. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    YES and PRETTY GOOD. Better?
     
  17. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Yes there are!
     
  18. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    do you care to elaborate?????
     
  19. Congoman

    Congoman Big Dog

    All of the old-timers did. But if they got a bulldog that was good in another style they ran him.
     
  20. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    That's NOT what all old timers did. There have always been ABOUT the same ratios of breeders who breed one way or another as there are now. The most marked difference between then and what prevails now, is the adherence and demand for gameness when it comes to breeding dogs. It was prioritized a little heavier per capita back then.
    Some seem to think that if you breed FOR something, that it's what you're going to get. Again, not true. You increase your chances of said thing you breed for, but it's not set on automatic as some might think.
    Consistencies of traits are not unanimously passed on, generation to generation. Those traits may be seen MORE often, breeding specifically for them, than if you don't. And that is the only notable differential.
    Now, Bounty, to answer your question in a direct sense..................Yes, I know a few who breed with certain traits in mind. But their will to attain these traits on a decent percent basis, DOES NOT usurp the main qualities they know they must have, and have moreover, and more often than any others, even their favorite "styles". Therein is the difference between their success rate, and those who breed avidly for just that certain style. Style is given by recent ancestors that give it to the new generation. In some groups of dogs and on some yards, more so than with others. But without the other main qualities of the dogs, those styles fall meaninglessly to the gutter. If you can maintain a flow of style in decent percentage, and still maintain your "must" qualities, that's ideal, but it's still a matter of prioritizing. And proper priorities are what breed successful dogs over a lengthy period of time.
     
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