T-N-T Blood

You can see him here: Abundantly Blessed Kennels | American Pit Bull Terriers

He is the last dog on the Males page. It's a little outdated, he is still in his "puppy uglies" phase in that pic. When the weather breaks here I will have to get updated pics of all my younger dogs.

 

Very nice site. You have beautiful dogs. Ya'll are not too far from us.

 

i may be wrong but wasnt paddy half staff. so that would make any dogs down from her have staff.

 

Nice site some good info on it.

 

no it would make em a quarter staff lol!!!

 

Ok at the risk of sounding ignorant i'm gonna ask. Paddy? Someone enlighten me on who that is.....lol. I know everybody but me knows but I have found that the only way to get answers is to ask questions please go easy on me.....lol

 

LOL dont feel bad i commented and have no idea what dog they are talkin about lol!!! I just got stuck on the statement any dog off of that dog who was half staff would be half staff which actually would make the dog a quarter staff as long as she was bred to an APBT that is.

 

I think they might be talkin about paddington but not quite sure.....lol

 

I think they're talking about this Patty:

"Don Devine got a bitch from Bennett Clayton named Patty. Don registered her as off Eli Jr. & Java. When Don got the bitch, all Bennett told him was that she was a sister to Art, but Bennett did not say she was a littermate. Patty was indeed of Eli Jr., but her dam was a quarter Staffordshire; a bitch off Indian Bolio & a half Staff bitch! But I would not mind if my dogs had Patty in their make-up because Patty's dam was a bitch name Ginger. This is the same Ginger was the dam to Stinson's CH. Tuffy & Stinson & Glover's CH. Dolemite." Imagine that. Dolemite's mama a quarter Staff!

From the article "Boudreaux Dogs - Real History."

Behind Booney's GR.CH Sport (6xw):

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3233

Behind Lonzo's CH. Buba (5xw):

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=51385

(Kemo is blue UKC staff blood. A lot of the staff part has been taken out - I guess someone didn't want anyone to know it was back there! lol.)

Of course, there are many other good dogs who had staff crossed into them, they just are escaping my memory right now.

 

I guess it depends on what you want to believe. There seems to be two or even three sides to every story.....lol. I have read several articles about there being blue dogs in several different bloodlines but who knows the real truth.......

 

Yeah. I remember reading that P. Harper from Har-Wyn AmStaffs gave M. Carver every AST she had that was too DA for her. Wonder what he did with them? lol. Even today blue Carver dogs pop up. Here's one I'd love to have, but in my area you can buy a used car for what the guy is asking for him:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=178895

 

ABK I'm sure would get a lot of arguement saying thats not a real Carver dog or something to that affect.....lol

 

Here's some interesting reading......


In Wayne D. Brown's book HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER, on pages 25 and 26 he note’s that in the late 1930’s one of the most important bloodlines of Pit Bulls were the Lightner dogs. He illustrates that in the conventions of 1936 and 1937, there were Lightner dogs of the dark variety and Lightner dogs of the red nose variety, and a classic confrontation of the two. When Bob Hemphill wrote Lightner that they were going to use Hall's Searcy Jeff, of the red nose Lightner strain, in the Oklahoma Convention of 1936 at Medicine Park Oklahoma, Lightner wrote back that the red nose blood in Jeff was as game was would ever be bred, and, further that the black and blue breeding in (Runyon's Colorado) Imp (II) was as game as would ever be bred...So, the contest between Hall's Searcy Jeff and Runyon's Colorado Imp II at the Oklahoma Convention of 1936 was a classic confrontation between the red nose Lightner dogs and the dark Lightner dogs. Earl Tudor handled Imp and he proved to be game. Jeff had punished Imp severely around the head and nose and Tudor picked him up. However, he scratched Imp and he went across with his nose bumping the ground, unable to get his head up, but he took a foothold on Jeff. Jeff beat Imp in 54 minutes. Later, Hall's Searcy Jeff was to beat Imp's brother Colorado Dan, also...After Searcy Jeff had beaten Colorado Imp II and Colorado Dan, their owner, Jeff Runyon, quit the game and sold his dogs. This is one of the few times I have ever found in literature, blue dogs before 1936. The year 1936 was the year the AKC finally recognized the, as it was then known, Stafforshire Terrier. This was the year that the red nose dogs defeated the blue blooded dogs. The dogs of this blood was sold but it is not said who to, although it is mentioned that at least some of these dogs found their way to Joe Corvino who, for a time at least, was involved in the formation of the AKC American Staffordshire Terriers. Dogmen wanted winning GAME dogs back then, and Imp certainly proved his gameness that day against Jeff, in a stumbling scratch. Many a true dogmen would have been more than happy to have an Imp bred dog in their yard. Back then game losers weren’t penalized, and were worthy of being bred. I know that AmStaff people regard the red noses with abhorrence, and I also know that Game folks today don't care for the blue color. Actually most of them can’t stand it at all because most of the time (but not always) a blue dog stands for being bred for looks and looks alone. I do have to wonder though what the American Pit Bull Terrier would look like today if Imp II had won that fight compared to the American Staffordshire Terrier?

Whether or not people want to believe it, blue is a legitimate color in the American Pit Bull Terrier gene pool as evidenced and show further more by the Blue Paul, or sometimes called blue Poll. A Scottish strain now extinct, but whose descendants clearly live on in today’s blue dogs.

These solid blue or solid red Scottish gladiators resembled the fighting Staffordshires of England but could weigh twice as much. The blue dogs were known in Scotland as Blue Pauls, and the reds as Red Smuts. The name Blue Paul derives from a Scottish yarn about the pirate Paul Jones who reportedly brought the dogs from abroad to the district of Kirkintilloch.

The dogs were popular with the gypsies of that district who maintained that the dogs originally came from the Galloway coast, lending more color than blue to the Paul Jones tale. Like the bull and terrier breeds from which they derived, the Blue Pauls were game to the death in the ring. These dogs remained mute even at the height of battle, very much like the Tosa of Japan.

In appearance, the Blue Paul was similar in appearance to the Bullmastiff of the late 1800s. The dog was a smooth coated cobby dog weighing about 45 lbs (20.5 kg), standing 20 inches (51 cm) at the shoulder. The head was large, the muzzle short and square. The jaws and lips were even, without overhanging flews. The stop was slight: eyes, dark hazel. The ears, set on high, were invariably cropped. The face was wrinkleless but the eyebrows were contracted or knit. Mr. James B. Morrison of Greenock, England reported that the last Blue Paul exhibited was shown in the late 1880s."

Many people claim that the Blue Paul is now extinct. It may very well be extinct in its pure form, but they were probably crossed with The Pit Bull Terriers in England and Ireland, and the Pit Bull Terriers were brought to America from Scotland. In 1857, McCaffrey imported the dog Spring from Glasgow, Scotland to America. At that time Glasgow was the center of Blue Paul activity. In 1858, in Rhode Island, Spring won a fight in 1 hour, 35 minutes. In 1859 he won a fight in 2 hours 15 minutes. In 1860, in Boston, he beat Tom Story's dog in 2 hours 40 minutes. Spring was bred to Maid of Erin, who was an imported bitch from Dublin Ireland and produced Young Spring. Young Spring won a fight in 1 hour 15 minutes. In 1862 he beat Sheffield George's dog in 3 hours 17 minutes, in New York. When Spring was bred to John Mahon's imported bitch he produced Jeff who won a fight in Providence, Rhode Island in 1 hour. He later won against miller's dog in 1 hour 10 minutes. In 1864 he won another fight in 1 hour 10 minutes. Dick, another son of Spring, won a fight against Spring's Hope in 1 hour 17 minutes. Power's Violet was imported to America from Scotland by her Scottish owner and, on January 10, 1892, beat a dog named Spright in Massachusetts. They fought at Catch weight. Her size, plus her name which indicates a dark blue color, leads to the possibility that she might have been a Blue Paul.

If the above dogs were Blue Pauls, their bloodline was surly continued in America and others were probably imported to America, England, and Ireland as well.

 

Brown also writes in his book that W.C. Roper bred some game dogs from stock sent to him by Jim Williams and Bob Wallace. Some of Roper's dogs were silver buckskin in color, such as Silver Jack and Roper's (William's) Silver. Roper's Silver won 4 fights at 58 pounds, and another Tudor's Black Jack (16xW) was, according to Earl Tudor, from a Delihant's Paddy/Wichita Mike bloodline. His sire was Black Tige who was sired by Blue Mike. Blue Mike was out of Miss Blue who was sired by Imported Roger out of Henry's Blue Mary. The sire of Blue Mike was Wichita Mike who was out of Henry's Blue Madge and sired by Henry's Black Demon. Several pages later he writes "As we have seen, Tudor's Black Jack was important to the Tacoma line but he was also important to the Ruffian line of American Staffordshire Terriers. He was not only important in the development of pit dogs, including the Dibo line, but he formed the basis for the Ruffian line".

Someone new to the breed always ask what the difference is between an AKC American Staffordshire Terrier, and a UKC or ADBA American Pit Bull Terrier? When told to the truth, the true history behind the breed most say they don't fight their dogs so why should they even have to know all that stuff? The truth is, if you own a Staffordshire or a American Pit Bull Terrier, it is irresponsible of you not to know the truth, the true history behind the breed.

In Richard Pascoe’s book, "The American Staffordshire Terrier" he mentions that there are five major lines in the foundation of the American Staffordshire Terrier. Tacoma, X-pert, Ruffian, Crusader, and "California" which is not actually a line, but a combination of lines. The Tacoma was developed by Charles Doyle and Al Brown beginning with the whelping of Tacoma Jack in 1927. The Tacoma line is influenced by Corvino blood early in its history. The Tacoma line is known for its courage and working ability.

The X-Pert line traces its pedigrees back to Colby, Feeley, Corrington, Tudor and Morris. Alberta and Cliff Ormsby began the line with the whelping of Ormsby's Madge in 1930. The Ruffian line was started by Clayton Harriman in 1938 with the whelping of The Ruffian, bred by F C Klump. The Ruffian line was influential in the development of many other lines, notably E C Ringold's Gallant line, beginning with CH Gallant Ruff and the Har-wyn line of Peggy Harper which finds its foundations in the breeding efforts of Harriman and Whittaker. One of her greats was CH Sky King of Har-Wyn ( half X-Pert). The California lines were strongly influenced by Ruffian and Gallant. Early breeders appearing in California pedigrees include Steele, Gregory, Freese, Farley, Wiswall and Harrison. CH Harrison's Bozo boy was bred by RC Steele and whelped in 1936. The Chatworth Kennels of Ray and Ina Harris include dogs of Freese, Harrison and Wakefield derivation. Rossmore's Naughty Knight, who sired the foundation of the Crusader line, was bred by Gladys Smith. The Crusader line was started in 1950 by Ike and Jean Stinson. In 1955, Smith's breeding of CH Rossmore's Naughty Knight x CH Gallant Susie Q produced CH Knight Crusader, CH Knight Bomber and CH Knight Patroller. All of these dogs played a major role in the development of the Crusader line. The development of all other kennels in the breed come from combinations of these original foundation lines. Notably Sertoma, Archer, Sierra, Tryarr, Willynwood, White Rock, to name a few.

 

Alot of good ol info there!!!

 

Erie: Firstly, let me thank you for your kind words concerning our site.

That being said, I agree some may say Blue is not a Carver dog. But if he's bred as papered he looks pretty heavy Carver to me. 3/4ths through the Lacefield blood. I've also seen blue pups that were 100% Lacefield. And from what I understand Mr. Lacefield is a very honest & respected breeder. I don't think he would hang papers. And if Carver did used some of PH's stuff it would be only be expected for a blue to pop up in a tight "Carver" (using the term loosely here) breeding from time to time.

 

Also - found this article on blue dogs. It is similar to the one above, but goes a little bit more in depth.

CHATNJACK'S APBT MESSAGE BOARD: The History of Blue Dogs in APBT's and AmStaff's. By Jack Turner

There is another one besides this one that is really good & has all kinds of pics, but I haven't been able to find it.

 

RIP ABK... we still learning from you

 

started some topic on FB bout this stafford in eli dogs lol