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that time of the year

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Bulldoghistorian, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. man the bill just arrived I really dont know what to do
    7 dogs one ice I wonder where I got the insane idea of buying sperm

    couple of years ago a good friend lend me a couple of viles from Harris didn't even get pups
    I am looking at that flash , baldy and that bimbo son sperm
    been paying for that flash stuff for 11 years
     
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  2. kiwidogman

    kiwidogman Big Dog

    Insurance. If all your dogs get taken you only need to buy a brood bitch to start again.
     
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  3. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I've heard loads of opinions on using frozen semen and still no wiser really.. I agree with Kiwi that having frozen is good insurance against losing your dogs.. I'm assured the best A.I. method to guarantee a litter is injecting live/thawed semen directly on the eggs through the ovaries, but also heard frozen breeding produces inferior or less vigorous pups even if you lucky enough to get a litter.. Two questions? Can anyone name any show winners that came from frozen breedings? Can anyone name any show winners out of frozen breedings who went onto produce show winners?
     
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  4. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I should probably clarify what I meant to say was 'employ a qualified vet' to inject thawed semen direct on the eggs inside the ovaries.. That's what I got told anyway!
     
  5. wicked13

    wicked13 Top Dog

    Hey u happen u know a round about price to keeping 2 to 3 on ice ....farthest ive gotten is to have the sperm checked i was too late ...dog was too old
     
  6. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    often wondered the same.

    I know a long time chicken man that says the same thing about using an incubator to hatch eggs vs. the brood hen. He says the chickens are not the same.

    I have always heard the same about the dogs.

    No real experience, but interested in the responses.

    S
     
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  7. blueboy

    blueboy Big Dog

  8. reids skipper

    reids skipper Top Dog

    Never really knew alot about A.I till a few years ago .... i was unsure wether stuff like that works but it did and i have a bitch from it .... the dog was hand pulled lol then fresh sperm inserted into the bitch straight away in this case ... never knew that oldguy that frozen stuff does not have the vigour etc but i suppose it makes sense as you going away from nature etc .... what always made me wary with frozen semen is how would you know it was the said dog and not just some bin scratter lol .... we all know that where money is too be made people will exploit it !
     
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  9. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Well I really don't know if it's true about the frozen loss of vigour thing? but 30 year ago I came home frozen loads of times and never suffered any loss of vigour haha! Think I'd know straight away whether somebody switched straws coz if my pups never jumped out that snatch killing each other and 80% brindle, then they're not Reid/Scar and I don't want them anyway haha!
     
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  10. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

  11. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    fearless, ferocious, frozen fools? I wish haha!

    love chain.jpg
     
  12. Nice thoughts....
    i no nothing but cant wait to read more peoples posts...

    But i do no a loon who knows another loon..and they peddel old english bullogs.sell them for thousands..
    and they hand pull the dog like Skipper just said..ill try and find out more of these loons-they did tell me but i waved them on as i fucking hate such people.
    intrestingly these so called old english bulldogs are meant to be a mix of kc registard bulldogs,staffs,and bullmastiffs.they look more healthy then a kc bulldog ....but i still told em there shit..and there dog peddlers.
    a fancy craze for shit dogs...
    i was still amazed these loons even new anything about this.

    Gotta say.....it dose sound weird.scientific.

    Frozen meat is still nice......
    but its not as nice as fresh.
     
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  13. PITPAL1

    PITPAL1 Pup

    I’ve bred bird dogs and because the foundation blood of both the dogs we started with were from Germany and Austria we did a lot of AI. It works and works well if properly done. We produced several world champions in nearly all the events that were sanctioned by the association we belonged to.
    it’s critical that once you pull the semen you get it in the liquid nitrogen ASAP. Follow the thawing process to a T. When she’s ready the syringe should go right in with no problem. Push the plunger and immediately tickle her just below the gash. She should immediately have convulsions like she’s trying hump another dog. They say it’s an orgasm but I’m not sure that’s exactly what’s happening. Nevertheless it will pull the semen deeper into her. Success rates for us were very high and the resulting phenotypes were amazing. A few things I’d keep in mind.
    1) who’s pulling the semen and are they doing it correctly? It takes a while to get the volume you will need.
    2) is the semen being quickly put into the cryo?
    3) make sure your bitch is ripe and make sure she is restrained, as this is a procedure that needs to be very precise and repeatable.
    4) make sure the bitch has the “orgasm” to pull the semen deep into her womb.
     
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  14. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    lol Damn the crazy things you hear and there is no truth to it at all . Frozen doesn't produce inferior pups that is just crazy to think and put out there by people who didn't want you to have your own dogs or horses and not buy theirs . The some champions that Chico had were from frozen . And yes he's well crazy but who's not lol . There are more but who wants to tell .
     
  15. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

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  16. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    I have never seen any difference in dogs from frozen semen . I hear the stories being told and I hear the stories about horses and I call bullshit . I have enough experience in what I say to go against the best talkers . There is know difference at all . I think they hate you could show a dog or horse closer in the pedigree than they can ,
     
  17. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Retired Historican

    IMO it is wise to set some straws on ice.
    Having some history in the making laying in the freezer, how cool is that.
     
  18. Super cool...

    But it needs to be used..no point someone digging it out of a tomb in a hundred years as the dogs may be a lot better by then...but then again if there not, or worse still..extict..
    then digging them out of a tomb in a hundred years may well re create the breed.

    Witch is super super super cool when you think of it like that.


    My mind goes deep.
    \m/ \m/ \m/
     
  19. stickler

    stickler Top Dog

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  20. there is no difference I wish there were more people who would learn about the markers in DNA
     
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