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Vindicator - is the story really true?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by PITPAL1, Aug 30, 2019.

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  1. GrChDiamondJimmy

    GrChDiamondJimmy KING ZEBO

    Historically, Zebo was a grand champion. A historically unstoppable grand champion who's reputation was taking out extremely high caliber opponents and always being on top. This is on record.

    I know historically Vindicators comp he won over didn't exceed Zebos. I mean if you really mean that, you are just a straight up hater..just saying it because you are projecting your disdain for me. I know he was a 2xW, wasn't he a 1xL too? I could be mistaken on that.
    in the video I seen of zebo he did not look like a shit brickhouse. hes like a sleeper. zebo was a unique stunning animal.

    Yes. I do agree

    you mean
    ***********************50% Zebo**************************
     
  2. GrChDiamondJimmy

    GrChDiamondJimmy KING ZEBO

    For the record, Lester hughes reported that in the roll of Vind and Zebo, although Vind was going after Zebos legs, Zebo was putting holes in Vind quickly.... blood was spewing everywhere. This is just a historical fact reported by him.
     
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  3. GrChDiamondJimmy

    GrChDiamondJimmy KING ZEBO

    I think all Zebo wanted was a normal dogs life. he would make a good house dog, he was one with lesters family.

    but he lived a hell of a life. even as an older maimed veteran, the best champions and grand champions were avoiding him when rick was trying to match him. rick johnson just said "fuck it" and put zebo to stud

    Zebo out.
     
  4. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    One min zebo is the baddest dog who would doa the world the next he was abused mistreated and dodnt want to fight.

    Which fucking is it?

    And the truth, there has been many a bulldog before and since that wouldve left him in a dog food bag. It's just facts. Same with the dogs everyone here likes. He isnt the only unbeaten gr ch. Or one allegedly duck, or any of the other bullshit you say...

    You're an annoyance and it isnt because u like zebos worthless no wins today line.... its because you fucking flat ass lie and say the stupidest shit ever... it's because u come here every fucking disrespecting literally every person and dog but some piece of fucking shit 40 years ago that isnt competing even in the minors today is the end all be all and we're haters......

    You're the hater and the little piss ant who couldnt grasp the truth of your favorite puppy....
     
  5. Yeah ide love it...were are you?..giving the old man shit?who the fuck do you think you are?..come meet me and ill put you in a hole.your a pedophile that needs culling you inbred cunt now fuck of...kid shagger.DO ONE!....because if we find you-your goin under nonce boy!
     
  6. PITPAL1

    PITPAL1 Big Dog

    I have a pic of vindicator in an old magazine in a cedar chest above my office. He’s built very similar to Rosie in the pic above. I’ll try and pull it out if I can find the time.
     
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  7. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

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  8. PITPAL1

    PITPAL1 Big Dog

  9. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

  10. PITPAL1

    PITPAL1 Big Dog

    Was Zebo the only black dog in the litter? I’ve looked at a bunch of red nose litters lately looking for the right pup to purchase. Probably a couple hundred dogs. I never saw a black one in a litter of reds. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, it’s just not something I’ve seen.

    I’d like to hear if anyone else that’s bred reds has had a black dog pop up and how often. My dog was out of an old family red and a 2/3 white 1/3 brindle red nose Colby bitch. All the pups were chocolate, red, or red brindle. She had 10 pups and raised them all.
    That was the 3rd litter out of the two and they said the pups were consistently the same color.
     
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  11. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I always felt same about CH. Honeybunch being out of Bullyson (family of black dogs) yet she never produced black in Jeep's litter, but back to Lonzo haha!
    http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=431841
     
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  12. I no colour dont mean nothing...but it sure is wierd..
    I suppose theres both colors at the back of there peds,so it would be possible...i always thought black and red red nose are very dominant colors anyway.
    but I always thought red is red no matter what color the nose is?-maybe im wrong?..and maybe breeding a red red nose to a black would produce reds with black noses,but when these reds with black noses were bred together they could produce reds with red noses?...fuck noes?
    .its just a hue.


    Apart from the hue,now I look-king Elvis and Zebo do look a like.
     
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  13. Zebo was off Eli an bitch of Indian Sonny’s. How do I know. Cuz junior bush caught sonny In the middle of the night with a bitch tied to Eli. Things happened an sonny left without his gyp. Junior says he kept the gyp an raided the pups an Zebo was one of these pups. Junior is also one of the ppl that matched Zebo.
     
  14. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    So what you're saying is Junior Bush caught Indian Sonny on his yard in middle of night breeding a bitch to Boudreaux Eli who if I remember right was a stolen dog and we supposed to believe him? I'm not naïve and I know all kinds of skulduggery goes on in the dogs, but you forgetting Bob Stevens in Velvet and Steel stated Zebo was a clone of Lonzo's Andy and also Zebo wasn't a one hit wonder for Lonzo... Some people believe Vindicator was better than Zebo and also you fail to mention Lonzo's Andy (black) was both grandson and great grandson of Tudor's Dibo (red) and produced Greenwood's Oakie (black) who produced 3 champions, one of who was Ozzie Steven's CH.Homer (black) but we should believe a thief who got Floyd's Eli dog stashed on his yard? Just saying!
     
  15. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

  16. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

  17. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Interesting read on Zebo, with a few facts..

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    Mountain's man's Zebo (American pit bull terrier) may arguably be called the "greatest ever fighting dog" . Zebo's career began on the yard of Lester Hughes," The Mountain Man", where he won four times all quick kills. After his fourth he was shipped to the yard of Grady Cummings and while there, Cummings' Red Fox made the mistake of getting off his leash and ran into Zebo and was killed. Grady then made Lester get Zebo off his yard. Zebo was then sold to Dave Adams of Ohio, of whom Zebo is best associated with. At first Mr. Hughes did not intend on selling Zebo but Mr. Adams came up with enough money to change his mind. Unfortunately Zebo attacked Mr. Adams son and nearly took his son's ear off. After the request of Mr. Adams wife, Zebo was then sold again, this time to Mr. Johnson who fought him two more times. The last time to a son of his littermate brother, Vindicator. Mr. Johnson hoped to get another match in, but was unable to find any takers, despite the fact that Zebo was past seven years old at this point. Thus, Zebo was retired to stud, and lived to the age of 13,siring his last litter just days before his death. He had lost his sight at the end, due to damage that he had sustained, for no dog was ever to get to his rear.

    Zebo produced Stepp's CH Willie and Adams' CH Katy when bred to Tomsic's Spider ROM. CH Willie was, as said by some, to have the destructive ability as his sire, by killing each his opponents in times of :27, :54, and :29 minutes. Others produced by Zebo were CH Ruby, CH Abuelita, CH Diamond Jim, Clemmon's 2XW Z-Boy, Nigger Toby, Super Gnat's 2XW Blackie and Hughes' Gator just to name a few of the good dogs he sired. He is the grand sire to some great ones like Doc's CH Moe who was a grand champion until he ran into Red B's CH Charlie. Many said that Moe went to the well one too many times in his loss to CH Charlie. After his victories over CH Fargo and his brother Basket, too much was taken out of him to go into a much younger dog like Charlie.

    The breeding that produced Zebo and his littermates was one of those outstanding litters that only come once in a great while. Basically this breeding was a Dibo/Old Family Red Nose/Colby cross which explains why all of Zebo's littermates were red or red/red nosed. But where did this one black dog come from??? Many speculate Zebo wasn't bred as represented. For one Mr. Hughes purchased Zebo from Lonzo without any papers. Some claim that Mr. Hughes sold many different Zebos. A lot claim Zebo to be half brother to another famous pair, Eli jr. and Bullyson. Although, Lonzo's Andy was a black dog himself and Zebo threw nothing but black dogs, even when bred to various females of different colors, it still remains a question in a lot of people's minds.

    *This note was sent to me Douglas Link (webmaster) of this site by the Captain a well know old tymer dog man now based in Thailand.

    "Doug

    Zebo biting Adams son is a fact. What is completely ignored , deliberately or not, that Zebo was verbally matched with Andre Giroux of Montreal and Andre had PLACED the forfeit. These are facts, which ever way you look it. Adams sold the dog to Rick Johnson, which is also a fact and nobody put the forfeit to continue to fight when Andre has already placed the forfeit. [​IMG] . I can make a guess what dog Andre could have used, but most people including myself match dogs by weight, and not by name. In my humble opinion, Adams might have won the fight, just my opinion, but Andre thought other wise, and the French man had placed his forfeit.
    So all this nonsense, of Zebo not able to find an opponent is the same bullshit you have been reading all your life regarding Chinaman all the rest. If you are willing to be fair, you will have a fight in your hand.
    Regards Captain







     
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  18. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Historical fact is Zebo was a killer, as Captain stated (who was there back then) a few of his wins came by forfeit. A win is a win. However this B.S. about not finding anybody to match into him is just that BS. I love that famous quote if you're willing to be fair you will always have a fight in hand!
     
  19. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    "Old guy" brought up a few interesting points. Lonzo's Fay is a pure Colby bitch. There has never been a Black pure Colby Bulldog. There has been lots of Blk Brindle , Only a few Red/Rednose Colby hounds. Finley's Bo was a Colby dog. Jeep was heavy Colby. This breeding above is known as "The old rugged cross". Also several of the greatest breeders of golden years such as Fletcher Chavis, Mr Hollingsworth, believed that all Black Bulldogs were curs. (We know better than that these days) However , Mr Hollingsworth refused to breed or allow black bulldogs in his breeding program. "The old Master" Maurice Carver was a huge fan of Colby line, yet he didn't care to share his true breeding with the public. (Paper hanging). Burt Sorrells had many Honest Colby hounds on his yard, ect. It has been going on for many years, that is a fact. Louis Colby (rip) were as honest as they come with truth in pedigree. I would like to think that many of the great breeders of past & present are honest. If anyone
    purchased dog from the Colby family they didn't require anyone to keep its registered name. You bought it name it whatever you want too ! Louis and I spoken about this fact back 10 plus years ago. I understand why it took place. If
    Betty Crocker told people her recipe for Success she would be out of business. Lol ! I get it. Here is a successful example of breeding .
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [166223] :: WEAVERS' VENUS
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=166223
     
  20. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Down your way, over in Fort Lawn, SC there was a guy who was big in the hog dog circuit.

    He had a coal black dog called Guy. Guy was registered as a pure Colby dog.

    Guy was an exceptional hound, maybe one of the finest looking bulldogs I have ever seen. He would not only catch hgs with the best of them, he would also track and bay.

    Beautiful dog.

    S
     
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