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When do you consider it your blood?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Thunder98, Aug 26, 2016.

  1. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Say you buy 2 dogs, male and female from different breeders. They end up to be exceptional dogs. They are from the same line of dogs just different families. You decide that they would compliment each other so you make the breeding...
    The litter has arrived, now I know this is NOT your bloodline, but has this become your blood to form your line?
    How do you guys look at it?
     
  2. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Obviously there's no set rules or guidelines. But I would consider 3 or 4 gens your 'line'. No less than 3 for sure. Just how I look at it.
     
  3. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    IMO if you get stock from me and do a breeding it's yours,even though it's your first breeding from my stock ,it's yours.
     
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  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Agree with Bama. If you buy two dogs either from the same breeder or different breeders, and decide to make the breeding that is the start of your line. The only requirement really from there is that you perpetuate your breedings from the original breeding.

    S
     
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  5. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    ^^^^ I am speaking technically because your name would be listed as the breeder not mine.If you have a lot of success ,you and I both know people are going to say you had success because your only one generation from the source.But you could say the same if 5 out of 5 were curs lol
     
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  6. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Technically, yes, one breeding and it's yours but lolol c'mon now. One breeding and now that's your 'line'? lolol Sorry, I had to LOLOL.
     
  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Technically it's true . Treez this guy still had to feed them plus health care,school them,check them,put them thru keeps,match them.Sure he should get the credit for the time and work put in to be successful.
     
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  8. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Sure, he'd get credit for doing that but to say he now has his own 'line' is quite arrogant and selfish of him, IMO. He bought two dogs and bred them, that's it. I just feel there's more to having your own 'line' than getting two dogs and breeding them. Like I said, I agree by technical terms but I feel there's more to having your own 'line' than just breeding two dogs. That's easy. Like was said, maybe a "start" of your own line, but to say that's now your own line is off, IMHO.
     
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  9. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    So slim your saying stay with the original breeding and select from this...blood, and inbred and line breed from there? So this will form the line from the blood being dealt with....
     
  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I too agree with Bama and slim. The pups from your first breeding you choose to do is the beginning of your line. "You" choose to stick a particular pair together. The people your dogs came from may not have done such a breeding or used the particular dog or dogs to breed that you chose to breed together. Even though the parents are someone else's breeding, that first one you do with them would be considered to many as the foundation of your own line. I prefer to see my name in the majority of a 4 generation to claim my own line per say but the first breeding I did was the start of my own line.
     
  11. ohav4

    ohav4 Big Dog

    I'd say after about 3 to 4 generations of selective breeding it then becomes your line.
     
  12. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I like Trreezzzz,,, Slim and Bamaman...
    Alot of different theories about the situation...

    I would start with Slims as I fully agree that its yours the first breeding,,, IF YOU PERPETUATE IT or CULL IT ALL...

    There are others that feel two generations is the start,,,TWO PROVE IT WAS NOT BEGINNERS LUCK SOME SAY...

    as sleepy treezzz mentioned,,, THREE OR FOUR IS A SOLID BEGINNING FOR A FAMILY...

    others whom created families well say,,, IT TAKES AT LEAST ONE MANS LIFE DEDICATION...

    I like that!!!

    there are some that keep old blood around for longer than others we might call HEIRLOOM BREEDERS...
    HEIRLOOM BREEDERS that DO NOT PERPETUATE A HARVEST should never consider THE OLD BLOOD THEIRS...
    maybe if its NOT UP TO THE OLD BREEDERS STANDARDS,,, IT SHOULD BE THE PERSONS THAT RUINED IT???

    I see alot of OLD MASTER BREEDERS NAMES RUINED BY HEIRLOOM BREEDERS and its a shame...

    those whom buy a breeding pair from one person and call it there own might not be looked at as there own line but the predecessors,,,
    if the breeding works the predecessor claims full responsibility and pride,,,
    if the breeding does not work you get the exact opposite out of them...

    Some never let go and might claim its their line for many generations after its been gone and crossed for generations...

    Some get ONE DOG and make a NAME FOR IT such as IBM and call it their blood,,,
    DRIVE IT like YOU OWN IT and take PRIDE IN IT and ITS YOURS...

    TO EACH THEIR OWN or WHAT EVER MAKES YOU HAPPY...
     
  13. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Technically anything single is not a line but a start or formation of a line...anything behind the start of a line is now CONSIDERED a line so technically 2 or more of your own selective breedings is your line.
     
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  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sometimes it can be a play on words. When you decide to breed the two dogs it is your line. It has been created. When you breed from those dogs line breeding and inbreeding you have perpetuated your line. The last, and by far the hardest, you have to have good enough results to sustain the line.

    My thought process falls in the sorts of, if I buy two dogs from a breeder and bring them ohome and breed them it is mine from that point. Who is to say the 'original breeder' would have even considered those two for breeding.

    S
     
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  15. stinkrock

    stinkrock Top Dog

    If I buy 2 good dogs from different breeders an they both show to be good dogs. Once I decide to do a breeding with them. The litter they have will be starting my own line. That's because I took to different lines to make a new line.
    But I will always give credit to the people I got the 2 dogs from. JM2C
     
  16. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I agree stinkrock and like the idea of two different lines being crossed and becoming one,,,
    I personally feel that is more credible than a person buying two from one breeder or line and saying it is theirs so quick...

    To me once you make them better,,, they are yours...
     
  17. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    All good posts and there's no right or wrong answer. lol @ sleepy treez lolol
     
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  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    True, there is no right answer.
    And to go back to an Elias post "Master breeders work being ruined by heirloom breeders'. If heirloom means their sons, daughters and wives breeding on their name and not doing the things to keep the dogs honest, I agree. But I would do the same.
    My Pops was in the construction industry. He left his name and his tools when he passed. I took advantage of his tools (the dogs) and his name (reputation) and made some money for awhile. In time, I did not have the skill set nor the business mind to make it work like he did. The same happens with the dogs. Two different things, but I would do the same if I inherited a group of established dogs.

    If I missed the intent my apologies.

    S
     
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  19. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    You had the knowledge to know they would click and create good dogs. You deserve the credit for the matings even though you haven't had to do much....
     
  20. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Definitely deserves credit for the breeding but I would have to disagree to the point that is now his 'line'. The start of it, I can see that. But one breeding and now he has his own 'line', I just can't agree with that.
     
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