which is Best Food For Dogs?

Gringo . Thats the price you pay for feeding free roaming natural meat. it CAN be infected with parasites. and as you say you HAVE to cook the meat to kill them off. when doing so you actualy dont feed raw anymore..but you do feed ""healty"""" without al that bio crap in it.. mabye your better of deep freezing the meat first to kill most of the parasites off . altho its ""tought"" that some parasite egs and stuf do sirvive ore come alive when defrosted..

the shaking out of the stomage contens is only done to make sure they dont get to mutch vita and gut bateria in them, while they need more fat and protien to live..

like you say they ALWAYS open the gut first. and eat the soft tissue gut and intestens.
Raw feeders also dont seem to know ore realize that in NATURE 75% of the ofspring DIES not only from lack of nutrition ore being killed but from horrible diseases like MANGE and worms infactions ecetera ecetera ecetera.

also Naturalist RAW feeders dont realize there Bio industry meat hase been treated and is put FULL of ANTIBIOTICS. to make sure parasites and bacteria are killed off!!.
disavantige is that a dog wil get inmume and resistend for anti biotics and wil be very vunreble for diseases...

they dont take in acound that bio industry meat is normaly kookt and baked for human ORE animal consumption befor its being consumed.
By doing so 90% of the antibiotics are killed of"" NOT SO WHEN EATEN RAW""....

coinsedense has it that resendly in my country there hase been a new divelopmend witch is that that the levels of antibiotics that are putting in the bio industry meats needs to be reduced bij 70% over the cours of 15 years.

Because people in the intire world are getting resistend when ill for antibiotics. a very distirbing divelopmend.

dogfood companies who produce dry food use the same bio meats.But they are prosests and heated up ore they use other methods to distroi most of those TO high levels of antibiotics. AND the beter brands ad gut bacteria in the dry food..

Again in my belive a good brand of dogfood is always BETER then 90% of feeding Raw meats. unless you are 100% sure about the meat, meaning you raised it yourself and know wat your have been feeding it..same gose for vegies...

 

Limey I agree with you and what you said about the foods being infested with antibiotics and even hormones that are used in order to increase weight, especially in the cows. Most of the cattle farmers here have to raise two different types of cows, one is raised naturally eating grasses and roaming free, this is the meat that is consumed here in the countries around us, and then there is the meat that is raised for export to the US and Europe. The meat that is for export has to be raised indoors and is fed huge amounts of chemicals to meet the export standards. Because of that, the price of meat has increased greatly since they began to export it. But it is still cheaper than the imported commercial dry dog foods. You can easily see how unhealthy that type of meat is just by looking at the weight and health statistics of the US and their pets suffer from the same conditions. Many that feed commercial foods are amazed at how our skinny, rangy of the chain dogs are much stronger, faster and have better air than their dogs raised on premium dog food and excersized all the time.

I use commercial dry dog food at the beginning of winter here in order to fatten the dogs up real fast because one day it can be very hot and the next it will be sub-zero weather and nothing will fatten a dog up faster than commercial food for me.

 

Gringo gues we agree in the middle !!!. i DO belive and feed Dry food, and AD meat when nesersary.. and you do it the other way around , BUT we agree that 95% of the so called raw feeding feeders are NOT feeding the health they think they are feeding there dogs..

 

Talk about food for thought lol

 

I do the same...I like to mix kibble, & raw!
Its been said by so called experts to not do it that way, but I have seen no proof that backs up what they say...all I have seen is good results that work for me, & "to each their own"

For my kibble I feed Strongpoint Naturally Premium...been feeding it for about 10yrs now, & am very satisfied! Even when I tried others, I always went back to Strongpoint Naturally Premium!
http://www.strongpointdogfood.com/index_files/Prem_Chick.htm

At the feed store by me it is $27 for a 40lb bag...its what works for me!

 

I hope u not referring to me cause i participated(though not really taught)in slaughtering hogs,also attended an agricultural highschool.I had meat science and slaughtered chickens,cows etc...Trust u aint the only one knows they shit and while u do make some good points the fact is corn aint good for dogs (the corn in eukanuba not predigested in some wild animals stomach).and theres plenty in eukanuba period.
Oh and if u feed a dog a cup of one food and the dog doesnt shit alot and u feed him a cup of another food and he does shit alot that should tell u that the cup that made him shit alot had maore fillers(if not he would have digested them).And i aint spending my money on something my dog cant even digest.U sound like u work for them Stubbornly refusing to admit that corn is no good food dogs and it really aint and u being someone who claims to know about nature should know this and not reccomend a food comprised highly of it.And there aint many wild animals that eat corn either cause it dont grow in the wild like that and when it do it get get eating as a young tender shoot not an indigestible curnals and cobbs

 

Get outta here wit that, the fact is 1 percent of dogs today, are actually alergic to corn. 9/10 of the time its the protiene source. Don't get me wrong, I see a lot of dogs allergic to corn, and in that case I refer them to grain free. But then again I've seen sporting (gun dogs,hunting dogs) dogs fed pedigree and beneful with they're coats shining like diamonds.
Point is some feed essential (cheap in other words) kibble, some feed premium, some feed natural and some feed holistic. Whatever it is, if your dog does good on it, stay with it.

As soon as the grain free movement hit, everyones dogs became allergic to corn over nite!

 

I should clarify, that 9/10 its the protiene source that causes an upset.

 

A penny for your thoughts a nickle for your source a dime if you tell me what you feeding me LOL Nutrition and supplements have come along way since the time of feeding ya dogs gun powder for added nutrition LMAO.

 

I was taught in highschool about the cons of dry kibble by my small animals teacher who also had a kennel of good blood hounds and a degree in dog nutrition

 

Saiy the problem with the gun powder is you have to chase the dog around for an hour trying to light that fuse up his ass lol.

 

Well bro, argue if you like. I'm certified in canine nutrition so.......its my job, its basically what I do all day. To each is own, but don't believe everything you hear!

 

LMAO@Gringo, yeah exactly LOL

I am certified in spotting bullshit LMAO.

 

Shut up saiy, don't you have some karate to do in the garage or sumthin? YUPP! Lol

 

I never had ANY trouble with mixing and I think the "pros" that say it's no good don't know performance dogs... just chihuahuas with weak tummies... lol. I'm gonna try 100% raw in the near future to see how it goes but I'm really happy on half raw half diamond naturals. If it doesn't work out proper or is too expensive I'll go back to it.

 

All of a sudden everybody is a exsperd, slaughter animals have degrees in al sorts of stuff that hase to do with raw meat ore dry food ore animals. can i say a BS on that one.
plain Raw feeding is as rediculess as the tought behind it... specialy knowing what we discussed above about bio meat!!!!.
MR Revolution IF you feel it is specifik ment to you then i gues i hit something, if not then i gues its ment overall!!!!!. And yes you can see very quik how good a dogfood is, if your feeding one cup and watch how big the turd comes out of the dog, and what kind of TEXTURE it has. iven the shape can tell you something. the less waist comes out of the dog the beter the food is diguested!!!. WEIGHING the turd and compear it to the weight that you fed the dog!!!!and how long thuse it take a dog to digest it can tell you stuff as wel .

sure lots of dogs secu famelys are diferend as with hyper and laid back dogs. And yes that also ditermins the out come in what kind of dry food fits one dog better then the other.
BUT for every type of dog there is a dry dogfood that works !!!... all of the better ones are simple mutch beter and safer and more balansed and more conviniant and less time consuming .. then feeding raw..................witch bij the way has a mythologigel story to it that is supost to make you feel better because you feed ""nature"" in to your dog witch should make him more beastly. and closer to nature. therfor you creat a more healthyer beter animal..

Wake up call and reality chek. Our breed of dogs has NOTHING to do with nature anymore!!.
They have been bred AGAINST nature bij MAN, infact i belive they have evolved into a sub spiecies!!.

Altho They eat like a dog, they shit like a dog, they piss like a dog, and they have a tail and 4 legs like a dog the simul;airety ends there!!!!!,
. They have been fed all sorts of foods that MAN tought was good and adapted to that.
i have seen the most rediculess feeding programs on them witch didnt make sens. they have been fed stuff that no ordenary dog breed could be fed ORE diguest.

the word gamenes comes from selecting out the submissif behayvier that Nature provided them in order to SIRVIVE in NATURE, and man hase bred that out of them!!
this is against NATURE!!. Females fight male to the death this is against Nature...

hunderds of years and generations of selectif breeding AGAINST nature made them resiliend to pain .
Made them recuver from wounds and trauma 4 times faster then any ordernary dog breed
. generations of selectif breeding made them able to acsept a 3 yard long chain to spend the rest of there life on , living in dirt waist ecetera ecetera ecetera. and be happy about it where any other dogs would have been waisted away... hunderts of years of selectif breeding bred out the natural wearyness and agression toward men out of them this is against nature. no other breed take the human with its flaws so wel as the american pit bull terrier.
hunders of years of sporting jobs made them better in it then any other dog breed wil ever can. up to a point that sometimes they behave and look more CAT like then dogs!!. and iven climb trees.. this is al against nature. "" There is nothing another dog can do ore a pitbull terrier can do it beter""...This breed hase long sins evolved past natures feeding program and natures way.. Dont even think that feeding RAW would make him feel beter live longer perform beter then feeding quality dry food. thats a myth.. is it realy that worce NO it isend it is as good as..........I doubt it...

 

Limey,.......you do know that this is a load of shit,...don't you?
Now, I often agree with much of what you say,....and if you look back at a lot of the "raw feeding threads,...you'll see why I don't usually participate in them any more because of the whole chorus of folks preaching about chicken leg quarters, brown rice, yoghurt, and whatever else supplement you can think of,......and frankly, you can't convince most raw feeders to take a second look at their programs...much like you can't convince a lot of dry feeders,.....but seriously man,......most people would have better looking dogs if they started feeding them nothing but fish oil, goat shit and the occasional rat compared to any dried dog food. Sorry. Euk? I've used it. At the beginning of the conversation when you mentioned it I agreed with you that results hands down it was among the better ones for making a pup look good growing up........twenty some years ago (my preference was Iams in the yellow bag) but now,.......sorry man, it is shit,...and over-priced shit at that.....and considering my goat shit suggestion.,.....Euk is an insult to good goat shit because your dog will probably get more useful nutrients out of that than Euk.

Now, as for the whole good dry food is better than raw factory farm raised meat or whatever,....well, simple....you eat it some kibble for a month and tell me how you do and how you feel. Put whatever sauce you want on it, make Euk pudding if you want,...but you eat it and let me know.

Like I said, I often have equal problems with a lot of the expert raw feeders here and their feeding advice,....but personally, I think those damned chicken leg quarters are a damn sight better choice than the "chicken protein".......translate chicken feathers, chicken beacks and chicken feet with claws)...nothing wrong with chicken feet now,...they are delicious as hell when done right and you dog willl think so too-but as a "protein base" for a food a dog must live on for years....get the hell out.

Now, before you start.....in order to feed my dogs I have to slaughter my own chickens, rabbits whatever I can find and load up the freezer with lefteovers from the annual hunt. It is going o be a bitch this year because the moose we got two mondays ago was small as hell and having to share that with the extra cousin who did nothing but make noise and shoot the first thing we came across on the first hour of the first morning,.....then act like he did us all a friggin' favor,....left my with two buckets of bullshit and some bones,.......but I digress.......seriously, making the argument that processed dry food is better than the raw meat it is made from makes no damned sense.....seriously.

Oh, and I don't do shit for fuzzy feelings,....if it didn't damnedwell work I wouldn't spend days covered in blood, mud, shit, feathers and fur to get "raw food" for my dogs...period.

 

Limey... do you know kibble has only been around about a century??? Evolution doesn't happen that fast. If you go out and shoot a wolf and lay it next to a bulldog, it will look 110% different. But if you cut them animals open and look at them from the inside, their digestive tract from throat to asshole will look just the same.

 

unfortunately we do not have free roaming moose"s in England ,lol i have never fed a dog on only dry food, i have prefered to get lites (offal) from the local sluaghterhouses (cheap as chips) all i need to know is , will it benefit a pup in the first 6 months to be fed eukanuba ,? then it"s up to me what i choose. my dogs have always eaten what they are given and liked it lol .but i am willing to listen for the sake of a pups early days .

 

HIGHcoatsHiker can you sum it up more specific im not only dislectic but very vunreble for confusing posts hahahahahahhahaha... Bij the way no it aint BS but you have the right to feel and ecspres yourself that it iz i have no prob with that.
And as said in a eurlyer post diferend countrys diferend quality of the same brands of dog food!!!! as often local laws and regulations and nutritions are used ..