why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

You are naming the above countries but I have yet to see you give me the name of 5 dogs that made an impact on the gamedog world. What's their production record? Where and who were the dogs campaigned into? Has any dogmen of today or the past imported dogs from these countries? Yes, these dogs in Europe might be of high quality but they are by no means perfected. You can't perfect something that has already been perfected.

England set the foundation and America completed it. Its that simple.

How are you sure that Galvin's Pup was at the "uppermost" level? I don't think you were around then and you probably read about him. I think that dogs from the 1960's-Present are of better quality than the past. In those early days it was easy for a dog to dominate an area, region or state due to the lack of transportation, quality dogs and dogmen. Nowadays with up-to-date nutrition and knowledge, today's dog have a leverage over the earlier ones.

 

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Well I am not saying these dogs where not imported from the US , but hell , it's where you can find the best blood. From Europe I can say some dogs that made an impact , but they where all imported from America , or had a third or 4th gen parents from the US :
Ch Alizin's Luther
Ch Bad Rosemary
bouth i think from STP's yard.
Ch Gipsy from Yu
Mr Indian also from Yu that has Buck blood and is a proven producer.

There are great dogs acros the ocean , but , they are imported , i agree. And , why not start with quallity , and then try to improve from there .

 

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Ok you won. Amerika has perfectet this dogs. The first dogs from England, Scotland and Irland were mutts....a yes and Galvins Pup was a mutt. But thats not what I believe. We have simply differend points of view. Thats ok.

 

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I never said they were mutts. I'm not trying to win. I just like debates. Different points of view are good.

 

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Man you are like my Ex-wife. Always the last word. I hate that. Btw what do you think about Searcy Jeff...let me gues, he was just average, today are over 80 % of ouer Bulldogs better than him. They are perfected.....

 

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ROFLMAO. You stated that the early dogs and Galvin's Pups were mutts and that wasn't what you believed. Trying to put words in my mouth. And the last word? Lol. Don't compare me to your ex-wife please. If you can't handle debates, don't jump in threads then. I said I liked debates, if you know what that means.

What I think about Searcy Jeff? I liked what I've read about him enough to use his name. Never said he was better than today's dogs. Go back and re-read my posts. I said different views are good.

 

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i dont know if the dogs of today are better..or if the bar of today is set alot lower...Many great dogs rotted on the chain because of the great dogmen that went after easier fish.mason.

 

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I think it would be pure arrogance to state that americans have perfected the breed and have the best APBT's in the world.

 

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Why do you say that? Is it arrogant to say that the US is the most powerful nation on the planet at the moment? Why? We to police the world.
So could it be that these two statements are not arrogance, but simply fact?

 

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what was the topic again..oh yeah..why dont present dogs look like past dogs?
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=65472

i like old dogs..above is a good old dog.

 

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Pure stuff...thats a good ole real-one, for sure. Would like to know what his weight was, looks to me like 37-42 pounds. I really need a time-machine....

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

nicde topic..

i believe that all the (workingdogs0 now adays still look like the ones a 100years ago)

if you look at a staff now a days we cant trace it back.. it has become a totaly diffrent dog.
but the ones that do what they were bred for cant afford a max makeover. shorter backs fatter chests etc etc

i kno every Real dogmen out there can look in its yard and find some dogs that look just the same as some of the old ones back in the early days.,

 

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Btw for me its only logic that Amerika made this breed what it has become.
Amerika was a new country were people HAD freedom. so they could evolve these dogs more and more..

Also i think that there are a couple of people on this board that dont got ne idea what super quality of dog there is outside of the us believe me there are plenty.

cheers

 

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The thing alot of people get caught up on is thinking that the dogs taken from the UK to America were like the short stubby legged ''Show Type'' staffords because they're the only staffords they have ever seen!! They have only been that way since they became show dogs in the 1930's..before that they looked exactly like Colby's Jerry.

The Americans have just been looking after our dogs all these years and doing a fine job too



If I started playing Baseball in the UK and then everyone was still playing it in 120 odd years time would it be cool to call it English Stick Ball and then to try and say that it was pretty shit when it came over here but now it's great because we perfected it ? Nope :p

 

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http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49065

Check this out to see what real staffords were about in the UK and see how they and APBT were once the same dog...

 

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what happened is that young idiots with little dicks got hold of em .by the way i love pitbulls wether uk or us ,same dogs but evolved to a different habitat"i think thats the word "am sure that i will be corrected ! lol .

 

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you speek english dont ya !!!!1

 

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I am still trying to understand why people still think apbt was a bulldog x terrier cross. :confused: Lol

 

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why dont my apbt look like the 1 down the street