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why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by blue paul, Aug 26, 2007.

  1. jacko

    jacko CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    why do you say that ?
     
  2. jacko

    jacko CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    i meant post 79
     
  3. j1985

    j1985 Big Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    A few folk think the apbt is the original bulldog with no terrier cross...I think If you've owned or had alot of experience with terriers it's very obvious that apbt have terrier in their makeup.
     
  4. Elmo

    Elmo Big Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    im suprised this is even a debate.
    if i payed attention during my dog history class at first they faught with molss type of dogs.. the fights were boring to watch and the dogs ran out of air verry quick what makes a dog stop 9 out of 10 times.
    What they did was breed em with sertain terriers.
    After a while we had dogs that look like the ones we have now.
    Cropped up version..lol

    but why even question this? it's called Pit Bull TERRIER for a reason init ?
     
  5. visiongee

    visiongee Banned

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    heres mine pure original Colby blood since 1896
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    the other dog is my english bull terrier I like all my dogs to be
    from original blood and true to original standard and balance.
    All three are great family dogs and posses extreme high drive and devotion
     
  6. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    i know ill probly catch some shit for this but oh well.
    Im from the us and i love our dogs i also love love the look of some of the older lines imported/pre imported.I also like think a lot of todays blood does resemble past dogs but some dont.
    Ive always had my suspicion that when pits first came here a very few might have been crossed with coon dogs wich are known to be game as pit.to me thats where some of these larger dogs and dogs with them hounddog ears get it from.and if this is the case i dont think it hurt the apbt one bit.
    Like i stated b4 just my opinion
     
  7. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    What makes you think they dont look like what was sent to the USA a hundred and fifty years or so ago...a lot ware big not all where small..one early bitch called "Belfast belle" was 45lbs, thats big for a bitch today, other than being a little bigger, mostly due to modern foods being more nutritious, they are very similar,bet the people in USA who are descended from Irish and English settlers are a lot bigger now than back then when food was scarce...as for them being a cross of bulldog and terrier...thats only the history for (English)bull terriers...the APBT is a direct descendant of the fighting bulldog, check old bull & bear baiting prints..they look just like the APBT, and I agree the breed was improved in the USA, they ware specialized for dog fighting...as for Colby's "Pincher" looking like a American bulldog, that breed did'nt exist back then...R
     
  8. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    The Apbt was bred to fight and people bet their hard earned money on the outcome of the fight, why would anyone breed a coonhound to a bulldog ? all you get is a mutt that can't do the coonhounds job, and would'nt be game and therefore loose you money in a dog fight...R
     
  9. PIt4life

    PIt4life Banned

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    This whole arguement is dumb.

    Who is saying that a bulldog is America can't be 35-40lbs? lol.

    Funny that people keep throwing up the same two great dogs from the past, whooo two dogs! Got anything else? There are many, many dogs that were bred and made here in America that are absolute greats.

    Colby blood now, am I the only one who feels like that blood is slightly overrated and being sold simply for the $$? Are there even any current proven Colby dogs? One or two isn't making a big difference, btw.

    I think someone has a stick up their ass.
     
  10. Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    Good point Ricky i totaly agree re. the dogs and especially the people i have family that moved to america in the early 1900`s and subsequent generations being substantially bigger in height and stature and even have many family friends that moved to america in the early 1980`s who`s children are now in there 20`s and the boys are all well over six foot and broad , Dont know whats in the food over there :) but its def true to say this has had an affect on men and dogs alike
     
  11. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    ricky b I never said it was fact or that if it was that it was a good idea. but coonhounds from back then were def game as a pit they just didnt have the fighting ability but they were pretty accomplished hog dogs at one time.I just stated this cause i notice some dogs(though not a lot) have a hounddog look to them to me and i just wonder if thats where it comes from
     
  12. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    Game ? they are a hound, if you think a hound is game like a bulldog you must be new to these dogs, hanging on a hog for 15-20mins dont test a dog for gameness, they are not game, they are great at what they do but not game...R
     
  13. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    i think being split open by a hog and getting up and going back in for more and in some cases killed.i would call that game.im no expert but im not new either.No need to argue i justed posted it as food for thought or amusement as the way some pits look cant be explained.its not something worth arguing about so just drop it
     
  14. ohpitbulls

    ohpitbulls CH Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    Is it just me or did I noticed that there seemed to be alot more brindle APBTs in the early days, now days you see alot more buckskin an black dogs ??????
     
  15. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    brindle is the oldest colour in history. Goes back to war dogs........sight hounds were the original hunters which carry the gene. White patches is a non colour which grew larger with successive in breeding. Brindle dog stock are genetically stronger but not necessarily gamer ;)
     
  16. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    heres some new working dogs that look as if they were pucked from the 1800's.

    Pure bulldogs.........:D
     

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  17. As we like'm

    As we like'm Big Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland


    You're right solid "old-school" Bulldog...

    Hammond's blood is even running thru the vains of the dogs that are hunting the Russian tundra's...;)
     
  18. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    some more that resemble old bulldawgs........
     

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  19. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

    my favourite...........but folks would call him a DDB/ mix, lol!
     

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  20. As we like'm

    As we like'm Big Dog

    Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

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