What happens to the dogs?

i know pits love to fight but when you put your dog in a [] its there for you. your dog didnt wake up and say "hey stick me in that box again" once there in there im not saying they dont like it but you did put it there regardless. i beleave culling is a good thing. i just think there is a right way to this. so either way if you want to shoot your dog,break its neck, or give it to some one thats up to you. so do what you do. i can gaurantee you not everyone that culls does it humanly.

either way im done talking about this subject. we have 100 post of this topic im sure others can learn something from it. that is the whole reason for me posting this in the first place. everyone has made their good points on this.

 

OK, I am guessing your having a moment right now? I think yours may require alittle medication? Man, I am on the floor!!LOL

 

Rock your spelling is great. And I always enjoy to read what you wrote, but that doesnt mean that you are the truth in Person.Well you can have the talented 10 min fighter, just give me the weak, long winded dog that fight over 3 hours if he has to. If you had ever a fight you would know the difference between a 2 and a 12 round fight. Time is the MOST important thing in a fight. Only Bulldogs are able to fight for hours and thats no lucky coincident.

 

very good points!

and, I'll drive, if anyone gets too tired!

 

Your misunderstanding me, I dont care if it takes the dog 15 minutes or 2 hours to get the job done...that wasnt my point. The point is how much heart does the dog have, and that a dog can sustain much more injury in the box with a monster in 15 minutes, than with a dumb, mush-mouthed, ear sucker for 2+ hours. I just dont think time plays a very big role, how much injury the dog has sustained, and how far out of it they are when they are still scratching is a better guide. You can take 15 minute curs and pick the right dogs to put them in with that wont hurt them at all, and have a long, lengthy battle. But I'll be damned if that makes the dog a gamedog, just because it didnt jump for another hour or two.

I am a fighter realone, I have always been competitive. I've wrestled since I was old enough to walk, and started fighting when I could throw my fists. I've grown up, matured, and dont start the fights just for giggles anymore, but I'm always willing to go round for round for fun. Nothing beats the feeling of getting out on the mat, surrounded by a circle of screaming spectators, and experiencing pure, focused energy into your opponent. You can hear the noise, but it sounds like its distant. You can see the crowd, but they are a blur. The only thing that is clear, is your opponent, and its you and him. I'm not a particularly good fighter, I just like getting hit. lol I fight to fight, and I enjoy it just as much 3 minutes in, as 30 minutes in. You might not be able to stand any longer, and those punches your throwing have absolutely no power left at all, but if you havent been really rocked, you know its just a lack of wind. No big deal, and in an hour you will be back to normal. Most anyone can fight to that point if need be. Most wont fight to the point of broken bones and permanent injury. Thats what seperates the true fighters, from those that simply due it to look tough or intimidate, or whatever. All but the rankest of curs will fight through a moderate lack of oxygen, only the game will fight just to fight, and without any regard to their physical body at that moment.

There are other dogs which fight for hours, I'm glad you mentioned that. Tosas for example, do almost nothing to eachother....they wrestle and lean. No real injury. Do you consider a dog game because it can stand to be leaned on for 2 hours? lol.


Pit domination, if the box is taken away what does that change? The box is there simply to make it fair. So the dogs dont roll and wrestle into a tree, or into the side of a building. So you can have that area flat, and well-carpeted for traction. Both dogs are given every advantage in the box, I'd say its more fair than fighting on bare ground in the open. Ever done it, or ever seen it? Two guys fighting, and one guy backs into a barstool, or a curb during the fight, and falls down to be pounced on by the other and loose the fight. That doesnt necessarily show who is the better fighter, it only shows who didnt trip over an obstacle, which is about as pointless as anything. lol

Of course the dogs dont wake up, sit down at the table,read the newspaper and drink coffee with you then say "hey, you know what sounds like fun today....having a fight!". Thats ridiculous, dogs cant talk. LOL . So instead we must base it on their body language- willingness to continually do it, the wag in their tales, and the big ole bulldog grin they get going on.

If you dont think bulldogs enjoy the box, you've never seen a bulldog do its thing.

 

If you only knew the Meds I take you'd understand my thinking...Im glad you figured it out...I need to hot glue gun my sandwich to the basement wall now...lmao

 

14rock The one thing I do understand if fighting. I stopped competitive fighting in 2002. Martial arts not that huggy stuff you like but hey go for it bro. I will set back and drink a few cold ones for ya.Just kidding you know I would step into the ring and don't doubt you could hang with the old man. Do it while your young. As you get older the 45 colt does it with less energy and I don't have to sweat till I am trying to hide the body. Just messing with ya. Stop hitting me with that dang bag. lol But I do on a serious point know about fighting and the way the crowd dies out and the only thing I can see is the person in front of me and the only thing I taste is his blood and to watch it pour out fast is orgasmic. A fantasm of joy as the last breath is exhaled watching that still cold look in their eyes as they are drug out to the side. can't see nothing, can't hear nothing and don't feel nothing. The smell and taste of the iron in blood. I miss it. I only stopped because I got in some trouble over something in S. Korea on it. I hate a snitch. The following year I took a grenade so now. I have to stay out untill I can get it back into motion of the fluidity of the art. Right now walking is a challenge sometimes. The doc says no. But that little prick told me I wouldn't walk either I can do more than that now. I admit I was sweating hard down in Texas but in a year or so. I am going back into the ring. I may be old but I ain't dead and the Army can't dictate my life any longer. Only good way to go is fast and bloody.

 

ONCE AGAIN GOOD POST 14ROCK. Let me help sum it up first off never equate time with gameness. Alot of people get the misconception that if your dog went 2hrs he game but if he only went 20 min. hes not that game which is false. There are two many factors and variables to just judge on time alone too see if one is game especially for those with no real expereince will find it hard to understand or comprehend what we actually mean.

 

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Under the right circumstances almost ANY dog will pack it up eventually. That is why "dead game" is few and far between. A dead game dog can knock on deaths door step, but with his will to live and his owner/trainer helping to save him make it to see another day. I think people are getting confused with TESTING a dog for DG. Some consider this a stupid action. If you [] your dog then you have to be prepared and willing to let him meet his maker.

 

Your dogs may not wake up sayin that...LOL I understand your point, your trying to make.

I must have missed that part,I didnt realize we were talking about humain methods as opposed to inhumain methods.Whats right and whats wrong.....I still stand firm, this breeds not for everyone!

 

I personally don't know what people are talking about. I grew up when you cull you inject some lead. Now many believe sticking it in a shelter and feeding it 1/8 feed for two weeks half starving it in in a 2x2 cage that they hose out then injecting it with a toxic nerve agent is humane which is total bull shit. One second over two or more weeks. Give me a break that is retarded. I don't see nothing humane about that. It is like the anti-humane. Kind of like the anti-Christ. Both are lies trying to pull you away from truth. Say it again Simms it gets better every time I hear it. Turn the lights off. I swear some times I feel like jacking the shit out of some one that tries to preach that shit to me. just make me want to hold a plastic bag tightly over their face for a few hours.with just a pin hole for air then put tape on it. Just like the suffering of lack of food at a shelter or HS then the needle to end it after suffering for days on end. Just in a condensed version as I don't feel like wasting that much time on them

 

i think he already answered that when he said that some dogs can inflict more damage in 15 mins than some dogs can inflict in 3 hrs so a game dog may be proven in a 15 min match if he is serioiusly injured within that time and still scratches...i dont know about jeep's matches but i would bet this is the case

 

Ummm, MOST shelters don't starve their animals Many of them find good homes. They are simply cleaning up the left-overs of irresponsible owners. I worked and volunteered at a few in different states of the country. No starved or mistreated animals... I swear. One I worked at took an APBT from an owner who couldn't afford her medical care ( hit by car and had a leg broken in 3 places ). She was such a sweetheart we invested in her treatment and found her the right home. We treated all animals with good medicine, we only euthed if they had a chronic disorder or were " unadoptable ". About 1/3 of the dogs we adopted out were Pit bulls or Pit Bull mixes and they are outlawed in that area. Each dogs kennel was sterilized twice a day, fed twice, exercised once and each dog had 2 toys and a clean blanket which was replaced daily. It was a lot of work. Especially when it came to neutering and spaying every animal and their after care. We also thoroughly screened and interviewed adopters to make sure the match was right. So, excuse me if I get sick of hearing everyone bash shelters.

Actually there was one in NM, a small one that I didn't like. Over crowded, filthy and most of the workers were teenagers doing their community service. If an animal was signed over they euthed them immediatly because they had no room. I got a dobe off them. She was sharing a run with a smaller dog and was " cage hyper ".

There's a few bad apples in every bunch. I don't bash dogmen because a few like to electricute or abuse their dogs. I look at the group as a whole and appreciate what the good ones do.

 

Exactly right. But you cannot tell some people that because they already know everything. I tried to say this but people would not listen. One said he even owned a DG and doesn't even know what one is. You put it in simple terms. People are confusing testing a dog for DG. I am not a dogman but I love to learn. I just hate when people state things that are not true or a fact. Some people just act like they know alot when they actually know very little. Thank you Jeeperino for actually knowing what you are talking about and not just acting like you do.

 

Great....and how many really proven and well known dogs that never go over 15 min pop into your head if you think it over for a while? If we talk about the real ones we talk nearly always about long and very long and very very long matches. To say the duration of a match doesnt counts is ignorant. Sure a destroyer can prove a game one in short order. But if two nearly equivalent Bulldogs met each other then I would say Time is the highest judge.Yes Time is important in a fight and thats why she is always well documented....over 100 year old dogfights and you still can read it....exact to the minute.

 

I see what you're saying. But let's give a hypothetical here. Two dogs go on for lets say 1hr 45 min. One dog has better ability than the other in just about every aspect. The dog with the advantage never finds himself in trouble really, never has to fight his way up from the bottom. The other dog on the other hand, is behind for the entire match, yet continues on and scratches with enthusiasm. Now, were you not there to witness this and judged the dog with the advantage purely on the duration of the match, you might think that dog to be more game when that is not neccesarily the case.

 

Get well soon...^^

 

If two dogs were dead even skill-wise, and neither was a very punishing dog. Average smarts, soft mouth, same weight and conditioning....then time would be a factor. But since this almost never happens, you cant use time accurately. How can you test gameness is the dog is never put behind? A dog can go 2 hours without second thought if it knows its winning and in no real danger. Say that dog won in 2:30, next time out, runs into a good dog....extremely smart, athletic dog with a mouth like a beartrap. Never in it from the start, and at 15 minutes in, this previous 2:30 "game" dog shows to be a rank cur. Just because this dog made it to 2:30 is it still a game dog? Which is a better judge of gameness, that the dog was scratching while miles ahead at 2:30, or if the dog would of scratched at :15 while everyone else knew he had no shot at coming back, or even surviving. I'd say the :15 minute show showed much more than the 2:30 show. I am a firm believer a dog has to be put behind a considerable ammount for gameness to be considered. If we are going to call any dog who will fight while its ahead a "gamedog" than I feel saddened for the sport in that area, and the dogs it will be producing in 10 years.