The Click

This click and that click are two different clicks! There are some bloodlines out there that will never be up to par and why is this? Breeding non-working dogs and peddling the puppies to average Joe! This is very hypothetical and I will use myself as the guinea pig to make my point. Ok, it’s 1970 and I am matching dogs and winning hand over fist on everyone. I am breeding to the best and gamest dogs available to me around the world. One day I decide I have had enough of the running around matching dogs and want to rest.



I know I have proven dogs from just coming out of the game. I am breeding them as I have been in the past but I have to farm out the litters to people still working and matching dogs. 10 different people get pups from same litter and off they go to raise them for the next two years. Two years gone now and it’s time to get the reports back. 3 of the people let the pups die and 2 people sold theirs due to money issues, 1 person just has not looked at theirs and 4 people say they turned on and were matched.



Ok, you know 4 turned on but what if the other 6 were curs! Now we are going off % now and the dogs that did turn on will throw the % of their litter. Me not having anything else to go off of but that has set me back in what to do now. A week later the stud I used fell over dead as a door knob and I’m thinking I need to get one of his offspring back now to breed. I breed the son to one of my bitches and send the pups on their way and like last time the % is low again. But this time the same people are not looking at the offspring as hard because they feel they need to preserve what they just raised because the blood has been cut shot due to the death of the main stud.



People are funny like this and will sale you short to benefit themselves later. I am now starting to run out of options as what to do. Even if I still test on my own yard I can’t make an educated evaluation of the competition out there and what I should do next. Once again I am losing the ability to stay competitive among the rest of the dog world. After a few years of this you find what was once dominate among your peers are now at the bottom of the food chain.

After 1976 this happened to a lot of kennels across the nation due to the fact that people did not want to go to jail over a four legged flea biter! So underground it went and that is what has led us to see the worst of the worst among the scum that deal with the dogs today. Because these individuals could not learn how to be a good dog men from Real dog men the whole idea of keeping dogs in a tasteful manor was lost. Now we have the media controlling the fate of the dogs more or less today. Idiots are sitting in front of the boob tube believing everything the bimbo on Stupy-vision says!

But you see my hypothetical point about some bloodlines and dog men falling to the wayside. It has and will happen from here on out!


Well I’m tired of beating a dead horse today! Later, Slick

 

Again, dogfighting was illegal in every state way prior to '76. Doggers were no more underground in '96 than they were in '66, and, as the internet caught on, were more open than ever before. In Los Angeles during the '80s, street gangs were crossing pit bull types with doberman pinschers and using these dogs as weapons. When the cross (then referred to as "Bandog") was outlawed in L.A. County in 1990 and authorities began to crack down (police were, for a time, given the freedom to shoot these dogs on sight), the bangers switched to using the purebred forms of either dog in the cross, in addition to other breeds (predominately the rottweiler), or created even different crosses. This trend spread throughout the country, but with the major gang wars having wound down, and Dick Stratton's popularization of the "Gamedog", focus began to shift toward dogs that could fight one another. Big, powerful pit bull-type dogs were favored over the smaller "gamey" ones, making for shorter matches in general. The chances of an inner city fight being busted are much lower if the bout lasts only twenty or thirty minutes, as opposed to one which lasts an hour or longer. Eventually though, a few of these urban dogfighters discovered that a lot of money can be made in the sport, and turned their attention toward dogs that were best equipped to win. Enter the traditional gamedog. The real problem begins when those who are a part of this new generation of dogfighter become icons of pop culture through music, sports, film, or what have you. Idols tend to be emulated, so just as it was when women wore their hair like Farrah Fawcett, or guys dressed like James Dean (and on and on and on), when the latest big celebrity is fighting dogs -or pretending to- then suddenly fighting dogs (or pretending to) is cool. I'll wager that pit bull breeds would already be illegal in the US, had Elvis Presley been a dogfighter. Within the last decade the "Pit Bull" has become a pop cultural phenomenon. There is a resulting demand for anything resembling an APBT, and "The worst of the worst among the scum" have stepped in to supply that demand. It has nothing to do with "real dogmen", whatever they are, not wanting to educate, but everything to do with people not wanting to be educated...or not caring...

...or just not knowing who to ask.

 

Wonderfully stated. Great read.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rockstar again."

 

Yeah,nice reply Rockstar..some of your points have made me think of things that I never thought of before.

 

Yes matching of dogs was illegal but not that frond upon up until the kinder gentler individuals made it out to look like such a bad thing by finding and using uneducated people to gather their information to fight the cause! Your points are very true but the 1976 AWA backed the laws more so than in the past on the whole dog matching ordeal. LA vice the backwoods of BFE are very different places. The good old boy system worked for the doggers in and around the local back woods until ARG started putting pressure on local law enforcement agencies to do more about it in rural areas!





There are two different types of people in these dogs! Good people and bad people and not judged on their income! When I speak of scum or low life’s its individuals that cheat and lie to do thing’s that hurt others and the sport. So not to offend anyone less fortunate in this community. I was raised dirt poor and know what it's like to be a son of a drunk poor man and being kicked around! But you dig your way to the top of your game and play fair with everyone.





Skin color, background or the type of dogs you had should not have made a difference but it did due to people passing on false information about others in the game out of hate. A man could be whatever he wanted to be in life but when dealing with the dogs he/she should have pushed everything else aside and been honest to the fraternity to say the least. Some could not do this as the 1980’s and early 1990 have showed us!





“Internet” this is by far the most important thing you said about the dogs of everything in your post! The popularization of using the internet to promote the dogs has caused the most damage today! For the longest time Kennels used the internet to say Hey! We have the winning dog’s right here so come and buy game dogs from us! The fact that people used it this way caused a lot of well known Fraternity members to get busted for matching dogs and posting titles to their dogs over the net waves!





Rockstar, I really like all your replies on the post here because it makes me think a little more about what we need to do as a whole! Thanks,

Slick

 

if you want to learn, you can find folks who will fill your ears with what you need to hear.

problem is, you can't educate the unwilling, and most folks don't seem to want to learn.

B and R* - good posts.

 

slick, i like ur posts for the most part but one thing is a bit disterbing to me. U always refer to the true dogmen in one way or another as the good ole country boys, well quite frankly not all good ole country boys were that good with the dogs and there were plenty of true dogmen that cared about the dogs that lived in the inner cities. Other then that good posts, keep em comin

 

You are right!!! I wish all of us that wanted to learn the correct things could all gather in one place for a Gamedog workshop once a year and just share helpful information! No dogs around and just communicate! Some might say they would not want to meet some people on here! We all run off at the mouth but outside of cyber world I think most of us are really down to earth people. Work and stress during the week make us a bit up tight on here and this is how we release the stress.

I say a big Pig on the grill and a few kegs of beer would allow us to gamedog party and get down to biz on the issues at hand. I think it would be cool to meet the people behind the screen name and hear first hand the idea's of other individuals on what we need to do to keep the true APBT alive and well for years to come. Just a far fetched idea but who knows! Slick

 

its not a far fetched idea at all but we've tried to organize something a few times and it always falls through somehow or another. It would be great if we could actually get something going.

 

I think it sounds like a great idea. "No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it." And at the end of the day that's really what it's all about... we want to preserve the breed we love in its true form.

 

All fine and dandy but don't forget to proceed with caution. A lot of dogmen are being arrested all over the country due to law enforcement officials being allowed into close knit groups. I think that is one thing that has being detrimental to the gamedogs. 10-20 yrs ago it was difficult for law enforcement to infilitrate. You just never know who's working undercover! Providing too much information about the game can be very risky and compromising. Just my 2 cents.

 

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