Game ABPT's and APBT's

You guys are one big joke.If it isnt gamebred its nopt an apbt.Plain and simple.No need to try and split the breed into sections.Thats all that needs to be said.These dogs were not meant to be a pet,smart or loyal.They were bred to WIN!The only reason HA is not tolerated is for obvious reason.Im Out!

 

first of all these dogs were also given as pets to people that knew how to handle them. their are dog agressive and thats it remember that and take the right precautions some are crazier than others but for the most part they make great pets. they aint no toy dogs they are a mans dog and should be properly taken care of abundant exercize and know the tempermant of your dog and always expect them to do what they were born to do and take the right precautions and you will be fine

 

Actually to be able to do what they were bred to do they had to be able think on the go, which would make them smart, independant thinkers that can react and counter intelligently while on the hunt, and if you've ever seen one maticulously pick apart his opponent, you'd realize that they are very intelligent dogs, I have owned many other breeds from labs to collies to shelties and JRT and none of them hold a candle to the smarts of the bulldogs i've owned, every story of an unbelievable feat a dog of mine has done all come from the APBT's I've had the pleasure of owning. JMO

 

My two cent's... this post say's it all...

This is what I've been trying to get across here for years

 

that's why this breed appeals to me. in breeding the total package of a dog, they seem to know when it's ok to play, and when it's time to be a bulldog.

mine is fine in the house with our two jrts. she lets the puppy play spring pole from her cheek. but outside in the back yard or when she's on her leash, she seems to think whatever other dog she sees is standing where SHE wants to be, know what i mean? even ours are never allowed in the backyard....they're too stupid and wander up to her chainspot if she's outside :rolleyes:.

i've seen pics of three dogs over in the balkan region playing together...one of them a ch., one a two time winner, and the third a 2 yr old ice cold dog. they were playing TUG. you tell me that's not a recipe for disaster. but they lady always said her dogs knew when it was time to boogie, and they wanted nothing more than to play any other time.

but like you said, even with pets ppl need to exercise caution, just in case. i know one mod here has a jrt/apbt combo (Colbydogs, right ) that plays well together, but if you read his posts, he obviously knows what he has and how to manage HIS dogs.

the point being, YOU need to know how your animals will react and be able to handle things if you failed from keeping it from getting out of hand (because accident is a nice way of saying you screwed up).

and most people can't handle a wired-ready-to-blow-up-wants-whatever-the-other-animal-has-buckwild-i-want-to-introduce-you-to-my-mouth-apbt.

 

I was in no way stating this breed is stupid by any means.Most of my dogs are very intelligent.But there are stupid-game dogs.Dogs that dont care what time it is,whats in there way or what the outcome will be. I have first hand knowledge with these types of dogs and have lost other dogs to them.MOST of my dogs are calm around dogs that they are familar with.Dogs away from my property are seen differently.

CHef : Ill post pics of Mickey playing with his year old son and niece in the house. For anyone concerned about the dogs being out together ,chill out. Mickey is 12,has cancer and his only care in the world is when its time to eat.He sleeps all day.He no longer has the mindset to go at it with another dog.The other 2 are puppies.

 

His son in front,Mickey in Back,His daughter on the back of the chair and his niece way back in the corner.

 

this is very well said. and being a newbie, i heard all sorts of b*llsh*t be people who had dogs for years.

it's a very strange thing, it seems that many people dont realy wanna know. they are happy with the rumors they hear in the street and keep on repeating them every chance they get.

it's very strange i havent figured yet why this happens.

 

Funny, when I see a "smart" dog, I think cur. There is nothing "smart" or "intelligent" about gameness. Me thinks some people here do not truly understand what gameness is. For some it seems they believe gameness is a willingness to battle. Sorry, many breeds will do that.

Give me the dog that don't give a phuck, not the dog that is trying to figure out how to "win" or escape punishment. Wins are wins and nothing more. The game figures out winners far more than it figures out gamedogs. Feel free to disagree with me, but you'd be wrong.

 

haha, smart dogs are "curs" okaaay :rolleyes:

and what you describe is called a "barnstormer" and that type of dog also has nothing to do w/ gameness- just like a "ace" -rarely do those types of dogs display gameness

 

I didn't describe a barnstormer at all. You make an assumption. Not a fan of rough curs sir. But they win too - and see my comment about winning. I'm editing this from here as I was going to leave it at that, but since you adopted this air of superiority and mockery (which upon further review is irritating me like an itch to my nutsack so I must scratch), let's have at the subject of "smart". Do you know what a pit dog is doing when most dogmen describe the dog as "smart"? I'll tell you; he is avoiding punishment in some manner. Riding an ear, fanning a leg, "staying out of trouble" lol, fighting the muzzle because he don't like to get bit...all these types of dogs I have heard over and over and over again described as smart. If you think a dog that avoid punishment is "game", well then, there is no need to have the discussion It's what they refer to in divorce court as "irreconcilable differences"

Your parting comments are preaching to the choir, same church, same pew. Funny though, whilst those parting comments are insightful, you miss the "smart" part! How did you put it? Okaaaay....

Soooo, Mr. Soooperdooopermoderator, please provide your definition of "smart".

And, I need a certain number of posts here to be right Marty? As if my pitbull education relied on this board? Seriously? Wow.

 

From a historical perspective yes. Unless you believe disingenuous condemnations of it are effective while at the same time discussing "gamebred", "cur", etc. and so forth. Did I break a forum rule? Is that where this is heading? If so, I apologize. But the site does say "gamedog" and the discussion was about such. Am I wrong?

Edit, still scratching my head here as I page back. Perhaps my opinions were not sufficiently disingenuous and thinly veiled enough? Perhaps such transparent-fool-nobod-euphanisms like "doing it's job" and "hunting hogs" should have been used?

Not being a smart ass - well, I am a bit, but I did not know I was so overt as to be in violation and I apologize. But I was in Rome (the thread) and I merely spoke as Romans do Marty.

 

wtf are you talking about? and as far as your "itch"-they make things to take care of that, might be time for you to hit the free clinic.

you dont know much do you?- its the same as a boxer tiring out his opponent. does that make them "game" of course not- it makes them smart. they are only game if they get down and come back from the bottom

 

i don't understand all them big word's... are you trying to impress me?

 

TBG some of what you say is CRAZY??? or maby it's how you say it. you dont like smarts? it's hard to win the nextell cup series in just one gear you know.

 

Being game in my eyes is nothing more then getting punished and not giving a damn about it. In other words keep coming back till you can no more. Smart dog or not gameness is and never will be defined by a dogs intellegence. Its just a state of mind a dog has. Question being is a non gamebred dog a true APBT? In my eyes yes. Example:
I breed game bred dog A too gamebred dog B out comes 9 pups and 3 are game.
Are the remaining 6 pups APBTS ??

I breed Petbull A too Petbull B out comes 9 pups and 1 is game. Are the remaining 8 pups APBTS??

If we are talking about the hippo "mutts" or any of the mixed breeds they arent and will never be a pitbull period. As i owned Dogo argentinos aswell as pitbulls i can say that gameness isnt only for our beloved APBTs ive seen my dogos on hogs taking massive hits and hanging on till they depleted.

What im meaning to say is are dogs that arent GAME not dogs?

Yis
Quasi

 

what??????????

 

signs of intelligent life. until you started talking about other breeds ;( wrong sir. they are NOT game.

 

haha, NOW you show just how little you know. why dont you come back after you do some more research, the APBT is not the only breed of dog that demonstates gameness.
is a patterdale that goes to ground and battles an animal 3 times its size, all the while taking severe punishment not game?
is a _____________ that gets gored by a hog but keeps coming back to get a hold not game?

 

Marty:

It would appear I am definitely on the wrong site as this site appears to be about gamedogs, but apparently caters to pet bull people. And that's fine. I was cruising the interwebs, saw a thread about Gr. Ch. Virgil and a posted reply by my dear friend and stopped by to visit. The mere fact that you don't know who I am speaks volumes. Ask around (if you know anyone to ask...) and you shall find...and then you may....

grab a napkin, a fork, knife and spoon, and start eating your humble pie. I'm not afraid to express an opinion on the breed and it's historical utility because I do not engage in any illegal activity and I have not attended any show within the statute of limitations. I no longer look over my shoulder sir. So I speak freely of the knowledge I have acquired, that others only read about and attempt to interpret, like some here obviously. LOL @ some folks here telling me what gameness is or isn't. LOL.

Let me know when you choke on your words. O.K.? In the interim, if you want to shut down my access, I have no feeling about that whatsoever. Don't think I'll be darkening the door here much anyway. I don't mind educating someone, but I cannot tolerate posers or no nothings sounding "authoritative". And finally, a sincere apology if I violated a forum rule. It was not my intent and I still see nothing wrong with my post.

Hope you have a hearty appetite. bon appetit - that's french Marty