Gameness vs. Mouth

Its both 50/50! If u get bitten down to where you cant show game than how game are U! If i can out smart you on average skill than how game are U! Breed Bulldogs!!!! If u didnt need either no 1 would battle cross or stay what they say pure! Sounds like Mayweither vs Pac Man Damn!!!!!

 

Gameness is always the number one trait, but there is a difference between mouth and MOUTH! There have been dogs that killed opponents with chest or stifle holds. It didnt take all night either. Dogs like that come around once in a lifetime and I would take one of those over a game/deadgame dog everytime. Going into dogs like that only make for empty pockets and chain spots.

 

Until you run into one smart enough to stay out of trouble and waits until your mouthy dog tires. It's curtains then for the hard mouth cur.
If I knew I was going into a real heavy mouthed dog I'd bring out one of the muzzle/mouth riders. Once they get in that mouth and break it down then what?
I'd take the deep game dog over the hard biting cur anyday. Jm2¢…

 

Almost all the hype hard biters I saw are curs 1-10 ratio. Almost all the so called game dogs I saw were plugs and they stood. I'll choose a camp who can conditioned a dog very well.

 

And on that note ......

New thread: " greatest conditioner of modern times.....?"

 

Sadie and I watched a Russian or Czech clip of a televised bout (apparently Russia, Czech, Indonesia, Phillipines, Japan and Mongolia this is a televised sport complete cajun rules) .. right off the bat the dog who looked like hammonds Andy broke the front right leg, and the red nose that resembled the best of JRB/TmbstnBolio halfway through the bout as if he was wolverine from xmen just stepped down on that broke leg and used it through the rest and wore that other dog plumb out and never limped again. You could see it break right off the bat and out of shere gamness and natural lack of responce to injury (pain reaction which is emotional) the dog pulled through and boy the cheers from the women and children in the crowd. LOL .. so yeh mouth means alot like that Krazysides Nino aka Wildsides Nino he killed two pigs over 175 in the old school okie pig on dog [] that were legal for so long may still be... he impressed me alot. STILL when you see an intelligent game dog come through and wear the other dog down that mouth didn't do it much good. However that is very well said, dead game is dead even if it was fast from the power of a hard biting dog; some dogs bite hard cause they want to, others its genetic.. the finish I expect is just that, going for the kill the finish which some dog do want to bite harder when they sense that. Very true, has to do more than just hold on..

 

Contrary to what most people believe it really isnt that hard for one dog to break another dogs leg if he/she knows what they are doing. Im not not talking about leg breaking dogs, Im talking killing dogs. Skull crushing, chest cavity collapsing dogs. I'm pretty sure said game dog will get bit sooner or later, so once said killing mouth dog crushes his chest bones or his skull I guess he's gonna keep right on scratching huh? There have been stories of dogs who bit limbs straight off. Wth is the game dog gonna put down or stand on if there is nothing there?

 

Every now and then you will get a freak that bites like a alligator that will just tear through everything and will stop a loty of game dogs.But then you will run into one of those game dogs that can wrestle,smart,and can bite a little bit(but not great) and the harder biter will quit out of frustration or just because its only game enough to stay while its ahead. But now if you have a dog like Zebo that can bite like hell and is game bet the house .

 

not taking sides..... got a question... wat about a throat dog this is where she spends more time, (not side of the neck) 35-32 lb.... even if she got to get a leg for now she will go back to throat

 

some had a frontend style. they'd always get different holds during the match.every dog had there comfort zone.

 

[] intelligence and game....... that is what matters most.. the wind the bite all that are tributes you want to add to your intelligent game dog. Losing game or [] intelligence is a lot harder to retain and resume than bite or wind... I agree a dog that breaks everything when it bites is a wrecking machine and you also named the dog that stops it; which in my mind is supposed to be what these dogs are the complete package..or as near it as possible while retaining game and intelligence. IF its not game its cur .. .. no curs allowed.. both terms originate with the breed and the []. Bite hard or go home .. LOL actually sounds good but not a term I've ever heard any old dog man say, I just made it up. The dogs that stick out in my mind are dogs that couldnt find a match after 9 or 7 and of course the two great bitches.. Front to back head to shoulder and even on their back and workin from underneath taken a pummelin themselves and keep on pluggin' along... Thats what the APBT or genuine [] bulldog should be. as strong and smart as it is game which is or is not.

The brain and heart can make the body do things a better athlete never could attempt; and if that with the better mind and heart have the training just like a professorial boxer (complete package) well you get the great ones.. Yeah tyson hit harder than any other prof boxer, how long did he last? Roy Jones took Middleweight, all the way up to heavyweight just like Evander but with a better career .. So whos the better athlete over all? The puncher who fouls his way out of the [] or the brain with game? Same thing applies with the dogs. Im not much impressed with dogs that are all mouth and devastate everything, good for pigs but IMO they never get their oil checked until a good game dog comes along or the dog had a bad day and ( we see 4w and 1LG so on.. ) A game dog that lost or has been drawed and pick'dup, or went out dead game.. A good handler picked his dog up knowing it was game and better to take the L rather than losing a dead game dog just to prove to yourself he's game to his last breath. Thats smart and honorable by the dog IMO and those old men who had seen a [] or two probably knew exactly when their dog was going to die by asphyxiation or shock..


Im with the point of view agk and redrum kinda pointed out..

I'd take an intelligent and sure game dog with a decent/avg/good mouth other than a rough dog with all mouth.

 

this makes the most sense to me... as we inherit mental soundness or mental deficiencies from the female they usually carry the strongest marker in organs.. Bone and muscle structure from the male .. 99.95% of the time..

 

My limited experience taught me that gameness and intelligence are the most important traits but not good enough and mouth is also necesary. We competed against much harder biting opponents and although we won more than we lost, we did so on gameness and most of our dogs did not survive past #2.
Gameness without mouth means a yard of deadgame dogs that while they cost nothing to feed, they aren't much fun.

 

Game, endurance, strength, wrestling ability, mouth, bite! The more complete the better!

 

Whats the point in having a mouth dog if he wont scratch at 10:00?

I'd always put my money - on a 10 scale - on a
5 mouth 10 game dog
rather than a
10 mouth 5 game dog.

However i tend to think the best fights comes from mouth to mouth, game to game.
Short brutal fights or long endurance fight.

 

With a head clear as a bell, and some wind from the eagles, mouths are nothing to get around. Dead game is dead game.
one that can avoid dead game and any other obstical is truely pure and will continue. Life is a circle not a box. You get what you put in. Why put in the time if you dont actually want be there? The one who wants to be will last into the future because it lacks nothing. Thats what I was kinda thinkin. Who really knows though. its 2012 and there is a lot of other issues to worry about. Dont you think?

 

"Whats the point in having a mouth dog if he wont scratch at 10:00" the point it because by 10 there wouldn't be be nothing left. a match dog didn't need to be the gamest dog. just the better fighter and that was the point. the fastest way anywhere is a straight line.

 

Breed to the old time standards, Gameness first, prove it and the rest will follow...

NGK

 

Lou Colbys' book on the American Pit Bull Terrier

Stratton
Hammonds
Colby
Faron
Stevens
Rocca
............... what all them have in common is somewhere in each authors book they mention what makes the APBT .. a sound game dog... which most all of them were before 60s well before our post 76 BSL era..........
Colby and Stratton both point out because the legality of the [] was taken away the quality in dogs has dropped even amongst dogmen because don't have the time and patience to ensure a dog is real game. They also point out the pit intelligence of the dogs are lacking these days because of the same reason quoted above.



As I get older I realize we haven't done anything new or different with these dog in our generation and everything we thought we knew we didnt' .. we were wise but didn't understand . Only with both do we have knowledge. Well Im sure we can all agree we live in day and time we are still told, manipulated what to think.. In such .. rely on the old timers .. Pete Sparks, E Crenshaw both favored deep game dogs as should we those others are attribute easily seen and used.. as we all know once game is lost ... it is lost. Nothing more than a DA hard mouthed cur.. JMO two intelligent and deep game dogs that could do nothing but essentially wear each other down is the better.. at least you know they're the real deal not just a quick buck. Wouldnt you say game is most important and we like to add wind and game to our intelligent game dogs? This is how I think after years of studying the books the words and talkin with the old men and hot dogmen of our era.

Greenwood (bulldogs being game without being said)

 

add wind and mouth to our intelligent game dogs* (brain is far faster than the fingers can type)