Bolio the "ace"

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If that were true all littermates would be the same...

 

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"I don't know if its as cut and dry 50/50"........ AGK that's how genetics work. you cant have it any other way. within the 50/50 the offspring can get any combination of those copied genes. they may have different phenotype within the litter but it all comes from the same genetic makeup of 50/50. it's just how genetics work.

 

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If that were true all littermates would be the same

 

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Exactly littermates are only 50% related so that leaves a lot of room for genetic variation, or in limeys argument some offspring will take on more genetics from one part of the sire or dams pedigree then another part...

 

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"If that were true all littermates would be the same"....... breed a litter & dna test all of them you will find there all the same 50/50. they are the same as you & your siblings (if you have any). different combination of 50/50 all from the same genetics. this is basic genealogy 101. anyone who thinks about breeding dogs should understand how genetics work. it will pay off in the end.

 

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Don't they get more chromosomes from the dam?

 

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offspring get the mitochondrial dna from the dam

 

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I always read this too.

 

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Genes are like a program that determines an individual's appearance and behavior. They are strung together like a paired string of beads to form chromosomes.To make a pair you get one gene from mom and one gene from dad. (half of a pair would be 50/50). Each of a dogs cells contains two strands of chromosomes one from the father and one from the mother. At fertilization a sperm and an egg join to form an embryo in which the chromosomes inherited from the two parents are again joined into pairs.

 

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I'm not claiming to know the answers or saying anyone is wrong. I'm jus the type to ask why rather than just say ok lol

 

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i got ya DP

 

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Yeah, 50% of each parent. but there are so many different genes and different ways they work in combination with eachother. One parent possesses so many different genes and you will not get all of them. So while you and your siblings may be both 50/50 of the parents, you have a different genetic makeup unless they are idenical twins. One pup could potentially be passed genes from a grandparent and the other pups are passed genes from another great grand parent. Just like you could be spittin image of your father, and your brother spittin image of your moms great grand father. but your both still 50/50 of your parents.

 

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Yes but full bro/sis are still only 50% related therefore that leaves a lot of genetic diversity between offspring, therefore it is easy to see how some dog's may be genetically closer to there sire while his brother may take more from the grandsire etc...

 

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fink your argument ain't with BB it's with genealogy. because you can't breed to yourself so it's always going to be 50/50 no matter how many skittles are in the bag. aww hell man you could have 65x jeep in a ped & the offspring my not even be geneticly still related to jeep. A dog's genetic inheritance is not always fully revealed by its appearance. the only way a fella could know is by extensive test done. this is why i said production & performance is what is important to my sled dogs. everything else is secondary.

 

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That what I said in my previous two post no? That with the amount of diversity in genetics two offspring can be further apart in relation then the pedigree would lead one to believe. But like it has been stated viewing the dog's behaviors and phenotype may be some indicator to which genes the dog's have inherited. Obviously without extensive testing one couldn't be for sure the extent of that relatedness but these are probably the best indicators one can get from the naked eye. Either way this thread has at least made for some interesting reading and conversation.

 

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well it really ain't what ya said but it may be what you ment lol. sibling get 50/50 from sir/dame no matter what combo they get it's copies from sir/dame 50/50 . they can be farther apart from the foundation ie jeep but will still be of a 50/50 from sir/dame. but every cell is made up of the 50/50. the odds of sibling being farther apart are about the same as the offspring being closer to jeep. crazy things genetics

 

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I don't see anywhere in anything I have stated that said the offspring weren't a 50/50 combination of the sire dam. However I did state that siblings are only 50% related to one another leaving another 50% of genetic variation in their pedigree in which could be closer to the genetics of other dog's in their pedigree than their littermate, therefore dog's showing more semblance to certain dogs in there pedigree vs others. Now when you start inbreeding on animals then they will hold even more relatedness to the dog's they are being inbred on, and obviously closing the gene pool which in turn could or should show semblance to the dog's being inbred on. But as stated in this thread by other posters, throwback animals may be a strong indication of which genetics have been inherited by certain dog's and therefore breeding on those animals may in turn strengthen the genetic concentration on the desired traits one is breeding for, while a littermate brother to that animal although 50/50 related and still consisting of the sire/dam genetics may actually in many ways be further away genetically from its littermate in that the genes they share are off other dogs in that pedigree and not the dog or dog's being bred heavier on.

 

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maybe im wrong but I wudnt say siblings are 50% related

 

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And this come's from a xxxbullychit owner lol ..who would of guessed that ?

 

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you have any brother's or sister's extra large bully?