Fastlane dogs vs old school stock

its more so long time generation after generation of breeding a family of dogs vs outcrosses or hybrids
few idiots cant read is all

 

I don't know how to post it but there's an article written by Mahomes on breeding. Talks about how it's a mistake to not to inbreed once you've got something. The purpose of an outcross was only to add something that is lacking to an already tight bred strain of dogs and then to tighten back up on it once you get the desired trait. TO ME, it's about having a consistent strain. If an outcross works well then use it but breed it tight and develope a new strain. It shouldn't be like hitting the lottery, it's about consistency and improvement. I read a post by Limey that said he went 17 years( I believe) without an outcross. If you have a good strain you shouldn't need to outcross.

 

cause i was reading other things besides my kitten gazette while i was on my shitter.

you're awfully sensitive.

argue with the post, not the poster. you don't like it, move on.

thanks and have a good day.

 

I'm going to answer to some posts back a page or so. First of all the laws here in South America are basically that there are no laws. It's not legal but not really ilegal either, no one down here really cares what a man does with his dogs, his private property. Gambling without paying taxes however is not accepted.
Only Cajun rules are used here. The bets range between 300-500 on average with some going as high as 1000-3000 but those are few and far between. The largest I have seen was 3000 and that was a man connected to the president of the country. Veterinary post-care is provided and most have their own vets on hand. It is a lot like it was in the US back in the 60's and early 70's with big shows and smaller ones in between. People have come from Europe, the US and Mexico because of this and a couple I can name are Morfin and Lemm among others. So what I am saying is that the dogs here can be compared with others based on common ground.

Having said that, I had and still have a couple of Mayfield dogs. Speaking personaly I plan to do an outcross with mine because they lack qualities necesary to compete down here. I also have some Heinzl crossed dogs but they are outcrossed into the Eli. I have 50/50 dogs and 75/25 Eli/Heinzl and I feel the 3/4 dogs I have will be more competitive than the half-and-half.

Now having said this I also want to say that without the "pure" families there CAN BE NO OUTCROSSED dogs. All you will have is scatterbreeding. So one should never rule out the importance of a pure family bred dog and just because they may not be competitive in their pure form does not mean they are not necesary. A well bred pure family dog will produce a higher percentage of game competitive dogs when outcrossed in my opinion than an outcross dog will and there will be less variance in those dogs. But the pure family dogs must be kept and bred in order to achieve this.

As far as the Kershner dogs go, he is a peddler and those dogs have been out of the loop for way too long and that is all I have to say about that. Gamedogs come from gamedogs, period.

As far as the sport goes, whoever says that they would rather lose game than win with doubts I don't think is competing. I go to win and I could care less about any doubts as long as I win. I don't breed and feed to lose. Any doubts I may have will be taken up at the time of breeding but when I compete I do it to win and the faster and easier all the better.

In conclusion, a game dog is a beautiful thing to behold but I don't care how game your dog is, it won't help you if your charge gets killed before it can even show its gameness. Competitive dogs are those that are the complete package and the more complete the package the better and more competitive the dogs. When you breed for one or a couple of traits only is when you will cease to have competitive dogs.

 

Well written. I couldn't agree more.

 

good post gringo

 

tell me what happened.

 

good post. somebody will argue and disagree im sure.

 

Great post.

 

A few years ago most of my dogs were inbred. That was one of the reasons I got out of the dogs. I felt it was time for an outcross and couldn't find a dog that was what I was looking for.
When I say inbred I mean on a 7 generation pedigree there are only 2 dogs name appearing on the right side of the pedigree, the 7th generation.

 

thanks for answering gringo

 

Damn, now that is tight!!

I think this is an important point that gringo made:
"Now having said this I also want to say that without the "pure" families there CAN BE NO OUTCROSSED dogs. All you will have is scatterbreeding. So one should never rule out the importance of a pure family bred dog and just because they may not be competitive in their pure form does not mean they are not necesary. A well bred pure family dog will produce a higher percentage of game competitive dogs when outcrossed in my opinion than an outcross dog will and there will be less variance in those dogs. But the pure family dogs must be kept and bred in order to achieve this."

Otherwise, when you say, "hmm, my line is lacking _______, so I think will do an out to some __________ to try to remedy it", you won't have a clue how to fill in the 2nd blank - as he said, it will all be so scattered it will be an even bigger crapshoot than it already is...

 

Good thread. I been following this one for a few days and i'm glad to see it take a better turn toward the informative. Thanks Gringo and Robber.

 

I don't have a very high opinion of the fast lane dogs. Most seem to lack what it takes.
The one main reason I decided to get out of the dogs was that I was unable to find an outcross that had what I was looking for.

 

what's a fastlane dog?

 

This is a fastlane dog
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=10923

 

again what is a fastlane dog.

 

This thread was a good read.


ben_breckton

you are annoying as FUCK. get off this damn board man, all your posts I've read today are worthless. Even when you attempt to make a point no one but yourself gets it. Most of your questions and dumbass retorts have been answered in this thread already, if not SEARCH. I'd ban you, but I'm not a mod.

 

Gringopistolero,
nice post thats a winning attitude.

 

houston what is a fastlane dog. witch post are worthless?