Dog-Fighting DNA Database Breaks New Ground in Crackdown on Animal Cruelty

i wouldn't exactly call what happened to them "winning."

you can't beat the machine, it's keep rolling, and most folks eventually exhaust themselves, family, finances, etc for a good defense. not to mention your life's work gets murdered by a "humane" society.

 

agree chef...they won there freedom but shit they lost there lifes work..and how much money do you think they spent trying to prove there innocence... before 9/11 i would agree with the argument about prob cause and warrents and all that but under the guise of fighting terror our rights are quickly being taken.. warrent less wire taps and all kinds of shhiitt..and no one blinks an eye over this shhiit...we see how screwed up this dna crap is but thats because we are aware of whats happening to the apbt but the general public dosnt and if they do they think its ok cuz there getting spoon feed this bs from the media about how bad our breeds is...the public is seriously uneducated about these dogs and thats because theres so much misinformation put out by these real terrorists[AR nut cases].....i guess there was something to the argument TG was making against dna..imo he was out ahead of this one

 

I don't think the folks who are saying this will only be used to link dogs to blood evidence found in a fighting pit did not bother to read the whole article. This quote right here tells you they will use it try to figure out who the parents and offspring of a given dog are, and who the breeder was:

.... Last time I checked it was not a crime to own a dog related to a dog that was fought.... so why are they trying to find out the breeder and the relatives of the dog that was involved in a fight case? If you don't think this will be abused and misused, you are very naive.

 

If you don't think this will be abused and misused, you are very naive
agreed...
to get a warrent all you need is probable cause...
dna is there probable cause
then once they get there they take a bunch of lil things to build a case..ie treadmill..springpole..books mags...you get the idea
this is what these people do...there professionals
all they gotta do is paint a picture for a jury...and if you beat it..so what
they dogs will be dead before you can post bail if they have there way

 

Id imagine that due to years of close breeding,the D.N.A of most pitbulls would be quite similar.Not that it matters as this is just more scientific mumbo-jumbo used to justify FACISM ,which 60 years ago millions of americans gave their lives to prevent(funny old world):confused:

 

This is horrible but the fact of the matter is if they have enough evidence to take your dogs, they are dead, end of story, DNA won't matter except in your trial. If you don't break the law or sell to those who do, you have a lot less to worry about.

 

Here's another big problem I see with this. Say they come up on a sceen after the fact and they take samples. They put these in there little database. Say some time goes by and I want a proven dog to use on my yard as a brood dog. Then one day they show up and want to take samples and little did I know, i bought a dog who is in their database. I'm gonna be in for a bumpy ride and all I really did was buy a damn dog.

 

This is a problem the law has nothing to do with it.Look say someone has a dog that was bred from the same litter as your dog and they get busted for what ever .Imagine then how things go.Its to late if they seize your dogs,they will say the dogs come from fighting lines and could be used for fighting.CASE CLOSED. This is bad.Someone already said isn't there an attorney to fight this before it gets enacted.

 

I did not read this as if it is a law.What I read is,this is a tool (National database). Now is it legal to use? And where is the bill number?

 

The dogs are still dead...

I understand what you're saying that a lot of people that have been busted have been WAY too careless, but keep in mind that probable cause for dogfighting these days could be someone reporting "chained dogs with heavy collars" or "a harness used to force the dog to pull weight" or some other bullshit

 

:crytissue::rofl:LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

All they have to do at this point, is establish a link. Also is this going to potentialy force these registries that have collected dna, to give ppl up?

 

this anit nothing but bullshit!!! thye took my dogs now they are going to try to dna link them to someone elses dogs,it anit nothing but a joke,how about this you can get blood out of me i will meet you in the street in front of my house and i bleed very easy so come on lets see some blood.but let it be mine not my innocent animals.

 

jrspits thats a fine dog you have over your bullshit name

 

contact shirley king at the ga. dept of agiculture animal protection agency,404-656-4914 and ask for the open records on randall thaxtons dogs you will have to follow up with a email to ms king asking for the request,they have documents of the dogs numbered 1-10 and 8x10 pics showing the dogs playing with the workers at the cherokee co. animal control playing fresbee outside with them if you want to see some bullshit get the records and you will see for yourself it dont lie

 

and then thay killed all 10

 

so they play with the dogs, confirm. a solid temperement, AND STILL KILL EM?.........crazy

 

Well this was in my email today. First reply that I got back from 5 of the registries that I contacted on this matter a week ago.

Hello xxxxxx,
Thanks for your email expressing your concerns. We are looking into the information for our clients and will be forthcoming with further information as we get it. Please be assured that all client information is confidential and is not released to any organization or person unless authorized to do so by the dog owner. The article stated that the University of California at Davis Veterinary Genetic laboratory is the testing laboratory for the SPCA. The registries (ADBA, UKC and AKC) all use MMI Genomics for their DNA analysis and these two genetic laboratories use different systems that are not similar. ( i.e. they analize different alleles) For idenity or parentage you have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges for it to be valid. I know this sound like a witch hunt, but we still have courts of law that requires legal use of evidence.
A fighting dog is a dog that is trained, conditioned and has been fought. It is not a dog bred from fighting lines. In the same way that a search and rescue dog is a dog that has been trained and used for search and rescue. Just because his mother and father have been used for search and rescue does not mean that he will be a search and rescue dog, unless he is trained and conditioned and used for this purpose. He might have inherited all of the physical and mental abilities to excell in this function, but unless he is trained and use for this purpose, guess what …. He is NOT a search and rescue dog. This is the same situation that we have when folks try to say that your dog is a fighting dog because one of his ancestors was used for fighting. Considering the breed history, if the SPCA, HSUS and others could use this argument in court, then there is no APBT or American Staffordshire Terrier that would stand a chance, because as our history shows, ALL come down from fighting dogs, as this was the original purpose of the breed back in the day, as our history shows.
Be assured that the ADBA is fighting for the breed and its owners and we will use all of our resources to protect and safeguard. We want responsible owners to get their dogs out to our clubs show and pulls to show off these dogs in a positive light. The only dog owners that have anything to fear are those that are using their dogs for illegal purposes.
Regards,
Amy G. Burford / ADBA