Just thinking

"You couldn't get 2 people on this board that's even seen a true man-eater" LOL

 

I do not agree with the breed being used for guarding, security, or personal protection work.

I am not too keen on Sch. work with the breed simply because it puts the image of an attacking pit bull (which is the big public stereotype of the breed) but I will say that I do understand Sch. is VERY different than using a dog for the uses I listed in my first sentence. Most sch. sport dogs simply see the bite work as a game and the sleeve as a toy. I've spoken with many sch. handlers who tell me their dog would probably not bite someone without a sleeve simply because of how the sleeve training works, the sleeve becomes the "prey" object or toy. I can understand and respect this and I do see how in that aspect Sch. becomes just a sport. It is taking that training a step further and applying it to personal protection or guarding work that I truly see the issue with.

Also, it is important to note bite work is only a very small portion of the total Sch. training package. Does that mean I personally would choose to work an APBT in Sch.? Nope, but I do understand the difference between Sch. training and real protection work.

 

I completely agree

 

APBT is a versatile breed so no need to cross anything in, and I see no issues using them in the protection work - not all animals are suited for it and not all trainers know what they are doing either. One of the best specimens employed in PP excel as therapy dogs too.

 

Boy your a sharp mother fucker ain't cha.Show me where i asked you one question.Then you go on to say there's not two people on this board that have seen a true maneater.I find that hard to believe that with over 14,000 members.

 

I am not too keen on Sch. work with the breed simply because it puts the image of an attacking pit bull (which is the big public stereotype of the breed)
Does it really? Wouldn't a dog dragging their owner down the road while out for a walk-create more stereotypical fear images than a well trained dog? How many of those so-call people that will be stereotyping the breed attends a Sch event or goes watch training at the local Sch club? No way a person could conclude a well trained dog would portray the any breed in a worse light than an untrained one.

I can understand and respect this and I do see how in that aspect Sch. becomes just a sport. It is taking that training a step further and applying it to personal protection or guarding work that I truly see the issue with.
You understand it...yet wouldn't do it and/or believe others shouldn't either simply because some idiot might think you have a mean and vicious APBT? Not following the logic! Why in the hell would anyone do or not do something based on what somebody they don't know or ever meet might think? You might as well shoot your dogs now if caring that much about what others think.


Then you go on to say there's not two people on this board that have seen a true maneater.I find that hard to believe that with over 14,000 members.
Yes...still waiting for those names...surely out of 14,000 member (as you stated) you could come up with a measly two names. Can you even name 1 bulldog that was...yes only one this time since two was too much for you to do.

 

The dog in my avatar... f'ing REDICULOUSLY vicious, and EXTREMELY well trained. THAT was a man eater. Was "good" with me, but bit my roomate he lived with for 2 years. It got progressivly worse, and I DID seek profesional help, even after the dog had been through puppy kindergarten thru advanced obedience. I was in IL, and drove 2 hours to MO for two months and got one on one help from Tom Rose. After 2 months HE told me to put the dog down.

Now IDK, maybe it wasn't the "best" professional help I could have found, but he had several SCH and PP trained "pit bulls" there, I would have HAPPILY kept over my game bred man eater... so there's one for you.

Oh, and on every other level, he was a "bulldog"... Too bad, I wasn't willing to risk anyones safety for a dog.

"I", unlike lots of others here, have no problem with SCH or PP training your "bulldogs". I do what I want with mine, you do what you want with yours as far as I'm concerned. And I say F' what the general public has to say. My dozens of perfect examples of the breed never changed anyone's mind, I doubt one "attack" trained one is going to sway anyone either, one way or another.

 

Im sorry but i don't drop names.You have been on here since 2004,be a big boy and figure it out for yourself.I'm not hear to spoon feed you information.And im not gonna play into your little game,where i tell you a famous man biter,and you try to make a point by how many times he was bred.Once again,be a big boy and figure it out yourself.

And you still never showed me where i asked you any questions.And just so you know,like my previous post,the above is not a question it is a statement.

 

The dog in my avatar... f'ing REDICULOUSLY vicious, and EXTREMELY well trained. THAT was a man eater. Was "good" with me, but bit my roomate he lived with for 2 years.
Strike one...the dog you're referring to isn't a man-eater in the true sense. You even acknowledge he's fine with you, not something a man-eater is with anyone.

And I say F' what the general public has to say. My dozens of perfect examples of the breed never changed anyone's mind, I doubt one "attack" trained one is going to sway anyone either, one way or another.
Exactly! Even if we living in a fairy tale world and believed it would...logic would make a well trained dog much more appealing and pleasing to the public than a non-trained one with zero obedience.


Im sorry but i don't drop names.
Of course you don't; just make fictions claims of anonymous, nonexistent people in hopes that will give your rebuttal credit. You're the one claiming it's harmful to the breed to do a routine sport. Despite the facts an agility competition has more uncertainty for the dog than any Sch trial.


I'm not hear to spoon feed you information.
You're not hear to do anything but build up your post count-obviously. All you've contributed to this thread is your imaginary physic abilities and those fictitious people that you claim has seen a man-eater.

And im not gonna play into your little game,where i tell you a famous man biter,and you try to make a point by how many times he was bred.Once again,be a big boy and figure it out yourself.
Never had any intention of doing such as this isn't a topic on breeding. So feel free on list some "famous" dog that many would know...bet you can't!


And you still never showed me where i asked you any questions.And just so you know,like my previous post,the above is not a question it is a statement.
That's easy...answer mine first and I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

 

I understand where you are coming from Texasbulldogs. Unfortunately it is not the responsible, but the foolish and irresponsible that will ruin it for everybody else. All it takes is one low life to have trained his apbt to attack (to make the news) lets say lord forbid it's a cop or a small child that gets bit. Now in the news its "pitbulls being trained to attack", and "killer pitbulls", and then they will be calling them "lethal weapons". Now the general public which I know you dont care about, but they make up city councils, pro BSL organizations, and voters who would take these type incidents and use them to enact more legislation. You have the right to do whatever you want I just dont think promoting these type of activities especially on an open forum where people come to get information, is in the best interest of the breed as a whole. IMHO

 

I understand where you are coming from Texasbulldogs. Unfortunately it is not the responsible, but the foolish and irresponsible that will ruin it for everybody else.
That has always and will always be the case. But that doesn't mean a person should allow such ignorance to dictate what they do and don't do with their dogs. I'd much rather see a person partake in a Sch trial with their dog than do nothing. Either way if a person is doing nothing with the breed or Sch...they're still changing the breed and not for the good of it!


All it takes is one low life to have trained his apbt to attack (to make the news) lets say lord forbid it's a cop or a small child that gets bit.
Now you're following PETA's footsteps in making up crap on the "what if's". Call around to so Sch clubs, talk to those that compete in the event and ask them how many hours they have in training, miles accumulated from
traveling, cost, etc and then ask yourself; "how many of those "low lifes" are going to put that much time and money into it?"


Now the general public which I know you dont care about, but they make up city councils, pro BSL organizations, and voters who would take these type incidents and use them to enact more legislation.
Again you're drawing straws and automatically assuming every nut-case in the world is going to be doing it. Despite the fact they could of been doing it for the past 100 years and haven't seemed to. You're logic is to do nothing, keep the dogs locked up at home...then all the idiots will also do nothing. It would be very hard for anyone of those council members to knock a dog properly trained. As the obvious rebuttal would be pointing out the training of the cities K9 dogs.


You have the right to do whatever you want I just dont think promoting these type of activities especially on an open forum where people come to get information, is in the best interest of the breed as a whole. IMHO
Why not give them the proper information versus fictitious fear mongering? Is that not the purpose of this forum...education? There is a huge difference between promoting something and discussing it. Trouble is in topics like this, it doesn't get discussed only a bunch of fear mongering happens.




Your the one who turned this into a "Maneater" thing
I understand you're extremely SLOW...but if you go back and look you'll see it was in fact you that brought the "man-eater" statement into this thread! Hint...post #12


Sorry but i still don't drop names,im not looking for any "rebuttal"credit,especially from a man/woman of your stature.And where did i claim it was harmful for the breed??Boy you sure are good at putting words in others mouths.
Of course you don't...how could you when you have none? Given you're not looking to refute what I've stated...what the hell are you doing even replying then? You have your views based on nothing more than your own stupidity. You've not once mentioned what is so "bad" about it, how it could possibly harm the breeds crappy image, etc. Nothing, zero, zip, nada...that's what you offer and any thread you post in.


Once again nice try,but im still not here to spoon feed you information,your gonna have to put your big boy pants on today,and do it yourself.
Oh, yes you'll spoon feed me. Get the hell out of hear! You can't spoon feed anyone, anything but bs. You have not information to give or remotely spoon feed anyone, let alone me. Don't believe me (you're stupid so I know you don't)...just go look through all your useless post.

 

LOL i wont name em but i know at least 2 people on here who had a dog that would full on nail you if you walked in their home with out bein let in!!!

 

LOL And for the record i'm with texasbulldogs on this and with the people that are argueing the other side it doesnt surprise me lol!!!

 

Texasbulldogs is on the ball

 

I'm sorry you find my post useless,maybe i should be more productive such as yourself and go around encouraging people to turn there APBT's into people biters.You still never answered my questions,most likely because your not capable.Now you've run out of replies and have resorted to calling names.I honestly think you would be happier with a different breed.But there your fucken curs what do i care.This thread has run its course,and for a while your stupidity was slightly amusing.But im done with it now.Because at this point,the only thing i could manage to spoon feed you,is this dick.

 

It wouldn't surprise me as we all know what your great at doing.lol

 

i wouldn't say that's a manbitter only HA. manbitter don't give a fuck who it puts teeth on owner, handler kid or old women it's all fair game to them. in 20 years i only had one pop up & this around 4 years ago. his day's are about numbed on my yard. but he ain't the only one i had to deal with. i was farmed out a bitch off nelson's bottleneck & she was the same way.

 

A manbitter and HA are the samething once the HA dog actually bites a man lol!!! And both dogs i was referring to wouldnt just bite you they would stop you period and both were under 46 pounds both loved their families both were trained house dogs cause both showed early signs of not liking all humans. LOL one was my avatar!!!

 

LOL Thats funny you should talk dude you started postin on here cause texas said something your little girlfriend flbl didnt like!!!