Battle Cross

I’ve read about the battle bred from time to time and I always find it interesting
More important it’s the reaction of the members, the worst comment you’ll ever here
“is it most likely can’t produce “, what ever works for you is the feeling. I never seen any one put some one down or say your ruining the breed
I once took a lot of crap when I mentioned my dogs heritage My male some Cain Corso Female some American pit bull dog along with APBT mostly, I got nothing but insults . degrading me and my dogs , Now I see if I said the same about my dogs but stated I did the breeding for the reason of a battle cross I’d be hearing (hybrid vigor) possible good performance , NO what I’d be hearing is hypocrisy

Yesterday was nice out very hot I gave my 6 month old female a bath .She is skinny at best 42 pounds ,But I was taken by surprised how strong & and how I could not knock her down to role her in to small wash pool . I’ve had some dogs I would grab one lag & down I grabbed both legs same side and she went down but I was just as wet as her in the end (hybrid vigor) she has it
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So what’s up? A battle cross is ok, but a well cared for scattered bred pet is the ruination of the breed. , All dogs a good, moldable to the whim of there owners.
Humans are the only ones at fault.

 

If some one takes a game BT a game SBT a game APBT that’s also a battle cross,
and you can find that in the post of the past .

Champion psycho for one

 

stop trying to justify your choice to buy buying two dogs of mixed breed of unknown history by making a comparison to people making a battle cross apbt breeding.
you do realise that we are talking about two apbt of seperate bloodlines being bred to make a battle cross? they are still the same breed of dog.

at what stage does a battlecross become its own bloodline, obviously, the jeep/redboy line was at some stage a battlecross made to add things from either side of each line to the offspring and the rest is history, but... when does such a cross become its own blood?

 

I have read in other posts a battle cross is a mix of fighting dogs that are not same breed a mix of EBT SBT and or APBT

 

...thats not a "battle cross", its just a crossbreed

and mixing a CC w/ an APBT is far from a "battlecross", its just making mutts...or "crossbreeds" if it hurts your feeling so.
"battlecross" is crossing 2 lines, not 2 different breeds
"crossbreed" is breeding 1 breed of dog to a different breed of dog.
also see "mutt", "mongrel", "cur", "heinz 57", or "thisnthat" for breeding who-knows-what to who-knows-what

 

I thought there was a dog name psycho
That was a Bull terrier and SBT that was a fine fighter,
Just not a producer.

 

psycho produced some fine dogs so thats a load of shit

 

Pit5, I am sorry for what I am about to say.

You may be new to Bulldoggs; and God knows I hope you are.

However, you're now the owner of the DUMBEST SHIT I've ever heard anyone say regarding the matter.

I was enjoying the read, and would love for some more opinions. I do hope not to read any more comments on PIT5's statement (PIT5: I respect your effort to input, but it's best to say nothing...until you know, ask questions)

My Offer:
I would like to offer up Bolio/Tombstone. Battle cross as a fine producer many an (ROM)

Controversially I offer J/RB (Jeep/RedBOY) and Indian Bolio as a a nice battle cross: IMO Jeep/REDBOY cross has become a line of it's own. Because it is used so often.

But I defer to the forum and thank all knowledgeable individuals for their input. I truly enjoy reading your opinions:cool:

 

Pit5 you are totally jumping in here thinking you know what is going on when you don't.

A battle cross as is being spoken about here is still two purebred American Pit Bull Terrier parents. The "cross" comes from the fact that one parent will come from one family bloodline and the other parent from a totally different bloodline.

Your dogs are not from two purebred American Pit Bull Terriers, they are not from two parents of the same breed which is what is being talked about here. You have mastiff x pit bull crosses and that is where people disagree with your support of the breeders.

These dogs are a product of breeders that worked very carefully to put together the right dogs for multiple generations, not someone breeding their two different breed dogs together in their backyard and selling them to anyone who comes by.

EDIT: Bah sorry posted this before I read your post above mine ADM. No disrespect meant.

 

I think a battlecross becomes its own bloodline through effort and a lot of planned breeding coupled with culling. For example, look at the redboy/jocko bloodline. This is one of my favorite blood, but was a battlecross many many years back. The phases that went through with the development of the cross as its own line would be breeding performers and cull out all the pups that can't perform from the second generation. Then you breed the second generation performers and you repeat until you have dogs that breeds true. I believe that is also what Hollingsworth did to establish his line, I believe it is bolio/tombstone.

 

still is a cross hence the rb/jocko, although its been used throught years its still a "cross" persay

 

Rbj is its own bloodline
jeep/redboy is its own
i'd even say rbj/bolio is its own at this point
when multiple dogs from that cross are considered their own bloodline that tells you something

 

naw i dont buy it lol

 

mayday isnt his own line?
gr ch yellow isnt his own line?
i think we say mayday, not rbj/bolio

 

So you are basing the name "battle cross" on success of cross... so until the cross has proven effective... is it just a cross? Then at what point does the term scatterbred get put into play?

 

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Seem's to me most of the dogs discussed; came off Carver, Mayfield's, Patrick's, [/FONT]Teal's etc.'s yard and[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] those came off of Colby's, Teal's etc. yard and back and forth between name's mentioned.

Which leads me to believe that a dogman has to be pretty special or at least hella marketer to have DogFanciers consistently use the term "line" when discussing a dog.

For instance MayDay is newer and where as the blood is used it's not used as much, and still some do call it a line.

Just like Tant's Yellow. You get a lot of prefixes, such as Son of and so forth when speaking of it. But you see His time coming with statement's like "I'm running off of Tant Yellow that Jocko/Redboy stuff."

I guess hard getting out of ROM Poppa's/GrandPoppa's Shadow (RedBoy/Jocko).

But he keep producing those Champs from his spawn and it'll be Tant alone no prefix required.

IMO Battle Crosses are good if your seasoned mastered your dog's lines and no what your missing. You might even get lucky and get a producer of something brand new and awesome.
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They are both ROM!!! Yellow had so many dogs off him that could produce and perform it isnt funny
They are both on the TOP 5 ROM list ALL-TIME
I'm not sayin that is what a battle cross is, but the question was asked when does a battle cross become a line.
I took that as when do you consider a popular cross a line rather than a cross. I feel like some of these common crosses have become a line rather than a cross. JMO
I feel the same way about the BUCK and Macho Buck dogs

 

once a dog from a cross becomes a notable figure. & produces more of the same it becomes it's own bloodline for example white's tab is it's own bloodline even tho he was a 50/50 dog. or grch Virgil eli/colby/jeep/ rascal / scatter lol they are Virgil dogs.

 

DreamPits: That's a good point.

 

A battle cross In my opinion is just what it say a cross of two solid working families not closely related to each other. For example the breeding that made Mayday was what I would consider a battle cross, but no longer is because after time a family was based off of Mayday, and his offspring. I think that a battle cross stop's being a battle cross when it has shown to be a consistent family of animals that are consistently throwing these same traits into their offspring.
Where as scatter bred animals are dogs that have been bred together strictly on performance regardless of bloodline, and are a multitude of different lines or families....or are dogs bred to different dogs just for the sake of breeding, and have many different families or lines in them. Just my humble opinion.