knuckling out

thats what im getting alot of the info given is contradictory

 

Here is a great read on this ..

http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/knuckling_over.htm

 

actually, TOTW Pacific Stream formula, which I recommended, has the same amount of protein as both Canidae and Nature's Variety (Prairie). It only has 25%

 

yes, i was reading this seems like shes trying to make a buck from the kits and stuff but good info im gonna wait and see what the vet has to say

 

TOTW pacific stream is 25% protein. i wouldnt suggest the egg. lenoilium and wood flooring also doesnt help and when a pup is sick, it can also happen.

 

Pacific stream Totw is the canned food I was meaning, sorry I didn't specify. Isn't knuckling over caused by lack of nutrients? This is the reason I gave my pup eggs because the worms was taking all the nutrients from it from the food I was giving it.

 

It's genetic. I never seen it till I got a Burns pup. Yeah cod liver oil low protein low fat diet. Basically the bones are growing faster than the tendons. So you need to slow down the growth rate. Don't let em get too much exercise. With proper care dog should be fine. Mine outgrew it at about 4 months. Unfortunetly a couple of her pups have had the same problem. They grew out of it, but it pisses you off when it pops up.

 

I had one pup that it happened to, sometimes it looked like a bad disfigurement, was pretty worried, but he grew out of it, all healthy now. I did not change diet, and the Vet said there was nothing he could do, only time would tell.

 

put him on a diet with a lower protien and feed less the larger breeds tend to have this do to rapid growth [i have seen this before in my friends akitas, the vet called it rickits and advised the same] if the dog is kenneled put up a small barrier that they must jump to change sides of pen or in the yard if you have the time and space,doing this lengthens the tendions and streches the mucle that is out growing the bone of the dog same as a hurdle jumper. my friends dogs looked like they had hookes for feet and he had payed nice for them out of two champions by 5 months this was gone and by 11 months his bitch was a finished champion. now im not an akita person but i did learn somethging. also like all have siad it is also a vitiamin effiecncy so dont just lower the protien get your dogs wieght the vitiams per serving in the food you feed and you calculater to find out what youy are missing good luck .

 

Good food.....and balanced diet and it will fix itself. Happened to my new pup and I followed her advice bought nothing he fixed right up in a couple weeks.

 

Lots of possible causes but most likely WILLO hit the nail on the head. Bones are growing faster than the ligaments. Pup will outgrow it. Do not overfeed. Do not splint or wrap. Light exercise. Do keep your vet visit and get some xrays to make sure its not a break or angular limb deformity.

 

I am going with this answer!!! Lol

 

I cant believe all the stupid advice people have given. Listen to them and u will get no were. I have seen this many of times . Even a moderator on here(wardog)had this issue with his pup. Protein has nothing to do with it. Start feeding Purina pro plan large breed puppy. Its high in protein and fat. Also add a vitamin suppliment and calcium to his feed. The problem is most likely from a calcium deficiency. I have seen it a million times. So if u want the problem fixed than take my advice. If u want ur pup to stay fucked up than take the idiots advice. TRy this stuff or something similar
SURE GROW 100
A Trophy exclusive! SureGrow 100 was developed by a veterinarian for maximum tendon, ligament, teeth and bone growth development. Unique formula 0.85 to 1 calcium to phosphorus ratio with vitamins D3 and A. Used by professional breeders and handlers to obtain optimum breed structure, especially for pure-bred dogs with show potential. Extremely palatable (most dogs will take as a treat/bait).
SureGrow 100 is a nutritional supplement formulated to promote optimal bone development in puppies during the period of rapid growth. Developed by a veterinarian, SureGrow 100’s unique formulation of calcium and phosphorus is a Trophy exclusive. Reports indicate that SureGrow 100 may be beneficial in dogs prone to hip displasia, cow hocking, bandy legging, lowered pasterns, rickets and poor ligament growth by supplying essential calcium, phosphorus and vitamin D3. This nutritional supplement is also recommended for pregnant and lactating bitches.

 

Time to look 4 a new vet.....

 

In my case it's not a calcium deficency I took a pup with this condition to the vet, he said it was a calcium deficency gave the pup a shot and gave us calcium pills to give the dog. This dog had the problem longer than the mother. Plus I keept nearly every dog from each litter, and 2 of 9 had the problem raised on the same food in the same pen. So take what you want from it, just one IDIOTS experience. Proper diet will definetly help, but it aint the root of the problem. Never had any signs of this in any other litters besides pups out of this particular bitch. Also look at the pups ankles when you first let him out of his pen/crate then again after running around for a half hour this will give you your answer on weather or not the pup should be running around and jumping. In most cases your just gonna mess those joints up cause they aint in proper alignment.

 

ditto.........it will sort itself out.

:dogkiss:

 

I dont get it! You say (this dog had it longer than the mother) . You say in your case it was different. Are u admitting to breeding dogs with health issues? 99% of the time its has to due with nutrition< now if your a shitty breeder or someone that shouldnt be breeding in the first place and are breeeding dogs with health issues than i would agree with you and say the problem steems from other things.

 

Your vet has to do the tests, before he can make an educated diagnoses, as there could be other reasons!!!
Then he does'nt have to GUESS.. he can rule out other possible causes!!
There are other things that can cause this also !!

MOST causes of RICKETS and other bone wasting deformations are usually attributed to deficiencies or imbalances of dietary calcium, phosphorus, and vitamin D. The hormones produced by the parathyroid gland keep these in balance normally, but an imbalance (either a deficiency OR over-abundance) of ANY of the 3 can be a problem...

Reduced bone mass, bone deformities, fractures and loose teeth (rubber jaw) are skeletal signs of nutritional imbalance that affect the parathyroid hormone function and the calcium and vitamin metabolism.

The vet will diagnose by serum chemistry analyses, x-ray and identify the underlying nutritional deficiencies. Treatment is aimed at reversing the specific problem in the diet. Surgery is rare, if no fractures have occurred.

Note too,
Oversupplementation of calcium and phosphorus may also cause secondary disease.
Dogs that are genetically predisposed can have an increased risk by *over-supplementation* of calcium and phosphorus.
Specifically...Osteochondritis dissecans and Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy are more frequent in giant-breed dogs(Great Danes) fed excess calcium.

YOUR VET KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN THESE PEOPLE, SO BEFORE YOU SCREW HIM UP MORE...LEARN FROM THE VET!!!!

 

Yup calcium supplementation had no effect. Don't see it as that big of a deal considering they grew out of it around 4 months. And first signs were at about 3 months. They showed no signs of it after this poit, and it had no effect on the dogs performance. So hell yeah if the dog is a proven bulldog I aint gonna NOT breed him because he had a minor problem for a month when he was a puppy. I do think proper nurtition helps, but I also think what causes it in the first place is genetic. And not just the ones I've had. If a litter of pups is raised and fed in the exact same enviroment, and one gets it and the others don't, what else could it be? Of the ones you've seen were any of them bred? Not trying to bash anybodys bloodline of choice because I've had a few from this line as well, but from what I've seen it seems more prevalent in the rbj stuff. Have you personally tried that supplement you listed? If so I'd give it a try if I run across this problem again.

 

I truly believe it is mostly genetic...sure some changes in diet and supplementing can help, but I know some dogs don't get better as well

simply stop breeding those that come out like that