Do you really need pedigree for breeding?

I agree. I believe people have heard someone say that and just kept it going. Because if you are a serious breeder you have to know what ingredients you are cooking with so you want weaken what you have.

 

well said........

 

Pedigrees are not essential to breeding, but they are very beneficial. Kind of like building a bird house. You don't have to HAVE a saw or hammer, but it is very beneficial to have them!

Really, it all depends on how much time, money & space you have on your hands. You can breed dogs with no known pedigrees if you plan on keeping the whole litter to maturity, testing all of them, keeping the best, keeping notes about each dog (i.e. was it cold, cur, any genetic defects, etc.) & culling as needed. Then breed best to best & repeat the cycle. But be prepared to repeat a lot. Dogs of unknown ancestry or scatterbred ancestry usually do not produce as good as themselves.

But by having a correct pedigree you can cut out a lot of the time b/c by having a pedigree you will already know which ancestor did what, what ther status was (cold, cur etc.), did they have any defects (provided of course the breeders before you kept good records & are honest) & what did they produce.

So basically, no, you do not NEED to have a pedigree to breed. But it sure helps out a lot & IMO a responsible breeder would make sure to have them.

JMHO.

Blessings ...

 

What you need to know first is if the two dogs you're breeding are good dogs,it also helps alot if you know how your dogs are bred.I'm not saying you need papers because that's basically just ADBA or SDR or etc. telling you what you already think.Where registration comes in handy is in selling the dog not in the quality of the dog itself.Back when I used to coon hunt all the time,my hounds were never papered (and they outhunted several papered hounds)but I could tell you how they were bred,at least for a few generations back.It's the same with bulldogs,you can breed top notch dogs without a registration paper but it sure helps if you know how the dog is bred if you want to still be breeding good dogs 10-15 years from now.

 

What are you talking about? You need a ped to know the blueprint of your dogs if you are going to breed them. You might as well say its cool to start breeding a random stray dog with another random dog and see what you get.

When starting out, you need to know what was the formula that made your dog to help you figure out how you should further line breed or cross the dog.

 

A pedigree is just another tool that assists ... For people who have been breeding a family of dogs long enough they know what the have and don't rely on pedigree's to reproduce consistency within their lines. But they are useful when introducing new blood ect.

 

if u know how it's bred,then it's not much use for them,useless u peddle but on the other hand,it damn sure does feel good to show off a pretty ped. :dogtongue:LOL!

 

Hahaha, that's a good point kera!

Of course, to some point I can agree with kayo, however....

But what would you rather have;
A dog with an outstanding ped and little to offer in terms of performance,
or a dog with no ped that performs outstandingly?

 

Or because people enjoy doing more then just []ing dogs :rolleyes:
Conformation, weight pull, etc. All bullshit cause it dont test gameness :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


If you want to breed un-papered dogs because you feel they are worthy go for it but I know I wont be one buying them.

 

I will take both. A lot of members OWN both. It's possible.

 

Yes - you need to have a pedigree and paperwork.

 

Just think about it, what would it look like going onto a breeders site and seeing "no ped" !?!?!?! BYB much?

 

you just need good dogs down from good dogs, a whole bunch of luck and being a good owner, taking your time and doing right by the dogs.... no amount of smarts, paper, or anything else will give you dogs that something that gives them that fire to cross the line... JM2C

 

I'd breed the freak before i would the common dog but would prefer neither... i think for the best results looking for a dog that comes from a solid family that does do his job, that his brothers did their job, the sire and dam did their job, the brothers of the sire and dam did their job, the grand parents and their siblings and so on... a good dam line is just as good as a good sire line...

 

As a breeder and competitor papers are worthless to us. However knowing the breeding of the dogs as I stated before is essential. It is even more important to know how your dogs are bred if they are an outcross or not family bred. The reason for this is that for us, we are not only trying to breed good dogs but dogs that carry the traits and qualities we like. Those same traits and qualities come from the dogs that make up the pedigree or breeding and it is vital that you know and understand where these traits are coming from if you want to lock them in and reproduce them consistently.
If you are breeding dogs of unknown pedigree and you don't have a clue as to their background then how can you know what or who is carrying those traits? In a case like that every breeding is a crap shoot and may or may not yield what you are looking for and to me that is not breeding. There is a big difference between breeding a family and breeding to get a couple good ones.

The saying goes, "in order to know where you are going you have to know where you have been".

 

Wisdom.This post is right on and puts things in place.

 

A dog with out paper work is an evolutionary dead end, ( whether they work out or not ) It pays no respect to the countless people that have painstakingly bred and registered their dogs, nor will it count for anything as the APBT gene pool moves toward the future. It's offspring just become one of countless pitbulls that end up in the pound or worse, in some moron's hands. "Game-dog, preserving the breed",- Is that not what we are professing that we are doing here?

 

Papered and pedigreed are not the same thing. Having papers is not important at all. Knowing the pedigree is very important.

 

agreed, :goodposting:

 

You can not show or weight pull with out paper work, and most the left overs from unregistered breeding programs end up in the wrong situations. You can have a true bulldog with a nice pedigree that is registered. If you think that some paperwork of registered dogs are untrue, than I assure the pedigrees of the unregistered are much more likely to be incorrect. There is nothing stopping someone from saying your dog is off of Jeep himself. You are just kidding your self if you think you are going to start your own line of unregistered APBTs that are going to amount to anything.