question about undershot pup

Duckmike, thank you very much for your reply. I can definitely admire the dedication you have to improving the breeding, and attempting to eliminate faults as so many peddlers and backyard breeders have failed to do. Most will breed any two animals they have for the purposely of selling offspring for profit.

The only issue I have, is the majority (if not ALL) of animals will have something considered a "flaw," and if that "flaw" does not hinder the animals from performing it's job (whether it be weight pull, conformation, hog hunting, whatever), then I cant justify culling for it. It doesn't make sense to me for someone to culls a genetic flaw they can "see" but do nothing to test for the ones they "can't see." An animal you wait on for 2 years and seems healthy could pass down hip issues even though that animal is not displaying them. If we are going to cull for faults, we should not only cull for the ones we can see, but test for the ones we can not.

My answer to the OP is the same. If I got a puppy with an undershot, it would in no way eliminate him from my program. It is not a fault I feel as though it will hinder a dog to the extent that he has to be culled. An undershot bite is NOT desired, however. WITH THAT BEING SAID, if you are new to the breed, as duckmike stated, that is a little different, and you will be starting off in the dogs with a fault when you can easily obtain a dog without this flaw. And there is no doubt that if this animals turns out for you, it could pass this trait to the next generation.

 

pedigrees would look alot different today if undershot dogs werent allowed a chance to prove their worth.

 

we"re bulldoggs not undershot ?

 

were!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The "BEST" post so far NO DIZRESPECT INTENDED 2 ANYONE....... Actually, yall had some interesting postsBut, by far... LEE D spoke da "TRUTH"

 

my understanding was an undershot jaw increased a dogs ability to hold on, so it might be undesirable to some but to others they may have a job in line where thats not such a hinderance, i dont think you will ever get rid of some of these traits surely trying to lose some undesirable traits could lead to losing some desirable traits too, jmo probably way of the mark but im tired and keyboard happy...

 

For one thing he never stated he a breeder,I take it as he talking bite playing ect.,And to breed out underbite good luck.As long as im getting what i want hell with underbite it's not' that impotant to me as long as im not getting it at 100%.And for another thing i havent sold any pups.Show me someone blood that never produced any.

 

Imo people that complain about undershot jaws, standing ears etc etc.. just dont kno what a working dog is about.
Like posted be Lee. some of the best dogs in apbt history had undershot jaws.

 

get outta here with all this bullshit lmao. Fail.

 

Gr Ch Davis's Boomerang(ROM), Has a major under bite( for those who know).
From experience, I do see one or two pup from a inbreed or line breed Boomerang dogs to have a under bite. I see nothing wrong with under bite dogs unless you want to show him/her. You feed what you like!

 

I like a dog with an underbite. Hell if I wanted to win conformation show I would have gotten an amstaff.

 

Duckmike! i admire your dedication to the breed . With that being said, can you please post some of those perfect specimens you produced? I would love to see what your hard work and strict breeding program contributed to our wonderful breed. Thanks! I look forward to seeing some pictures of your American pit bull terriers. I love me a great lookin dog.

 

@brenner, the undershot bite has been present in this breed since the begining of its developement, and i dont think that it will ever be bred out completely, because of the simple fact that this is a performance breed

that being said nature (gentics) and nuture (enviroment) and artificial selection for performance have a way of balancing each other out, and if a dog cant perform his genetic task well than its obvious that he does not need to contribute his genes

at the end of the day just enjoy your pup and hopefully she'll live up to your expectation :dogstare:

 

DuckDuck goose! we still waiting on some picures of some of those perfect dogs u breed in the past. please post

 

undershot.........or length of upper jaw recedes with successive inbreeding. AS does width of chest. The bulldog appearance shows itself in some very game bred lines.

 

BULL-DOGS OF OLD MOST ONLY HAD WHAT WAS SOMETIME'S CALLED A BULLDOG PINCH(INCH);ie SLIGHTLY UNDERSHOT,ARTIST'S OF THE TIME'S SOMETIME'S GREATLY EXAGGERATED THIS,NOT ONLY WITH DOG'S BUT IN HORSE PICTURE'Setc;etc;some belive,IT GIVE'S BETTER GRIP??ESP;FOR CATCH DOG'S??ASLONG AS IT IS NOT OTT.DON'T WORRY A-BT,IT..THAT'S MY 2 CENT WORTH????:dogstare:

 

what a crock of bullshit telling people to put down undershot dogs . some of the best dogs of all times have been undershot .

undershot is in no way defect . just because show people see it as a fault doesnt mean it is . show people have no proven dog breeding knowledge.
hence why working and show dogs should be kept seperate. because show people have ruined every working breed of dogs they ever got their hands on by breeding for looks.


lets see anything u produced worth while like dyno said lets see your dogs .

you sound like a show breeder telling people to cull undershot dogs .

tudors dibo who pretty much every line of dogs today go back to him was undershot would u cull him ?

or lets see how about the best dog of all time according to mayfield and burton pit general would u cull him aswell.

and if u had any real knowledge of dogs u wouldnt need to take them to the vet for a health test to know which ones to breed lol.

its a problem when idiots give advice and other people then take that advice not knowing any better.

undershot has no bearing on anything of course u can get extreme undershot which is not good but just because a dog is undershot doesnt mean anything.

theres different types of undershot dogs my personal favorites are the short bulldog type dogs they tend to have a heavy build and an apple type head heres a pic of one.



this is mayfields dibo.


there is different levels of undershot


there is many bloodlines that are better than anything u will ever have owned and carry a lot of undershot dogs and have had undershot dogs since the beginning .

the blood heavy in tudors dibo for example the mayfield blood had quiet a few undershot dogs .

lots of the gr ch midnight dogs are undershot too .

im guessing your a ukc type show breeder .
could be wrong though but the fact you said u get your information from vets prooves a lack of understanding .


vets are not dog people they have ABSOLUTLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF DOG BREEDING they will help if your dog is sick or injured . vets do not understand breeding this is prooven im sure there may be some who do but it is rare .

vets study the care of animals ect dog breeding is not something u can study u just have to do it to understand and or learn from someone who understands.

vets limited dog breeding knowledge will come from people who breed show dogs .

and as everyone knows show breeders are the downfall of every breed of dog.

every dog was bred for a purpose u stop breeding for what they were originally bred for u end up with a very different animal.


hence why so many breeds are in a terrible state because people go by show breeding methods . and of course all the books about breeding are written mostly by u guessed SHOW BREEDERS.

just seems to be ignorance leads to more ignorance .and people starting out learn this ignorance and they themselves become ignorant.

 

Whoa you guys make me feel like i peed on a hornets nest.i never said i was a great dog breeder (i wasn't)i did have a few dogs i thought were pretty good thou.i also never showed dogs.i did cull the undershot dogs i had 2.i haven't bred dogs since 88 didn't care for it i found i didn't have the time for a-lot of dogs and it was easier to buy the 1 dog i kept that way i got what i wanted and i didn't have to cull nothing.i still stand behind what i said thou about undershot being a flaw. only having 1 dog and not being much worried if he's going to be the next dibo i see no reason to have a dog with a visible genetic flaw that's the reason i answered the original poster the way i did.if you have all sorts of room and you keep all sorts of dogs (someone has to)and you have the time and patience to shoot for the next dibo good-luck and i mean that with no sarcasm and animosity towards anyone here and i wish nothing but the best for your breeding program but i still believe that a newbie should start-off with as good of a dog as he can get and seeing as how young his dog is i think he would be better-off getting a dog that isn't undershot.as far as pictures of my dogs i have a few somewhere and when i find them i'll post some

 

sorry about the above being bold don't no what happened