earl tudors henry studs

Well everything physical is largely due to genetics. Some are affected by the enviornment but it's still the genetics that govern how a cell will develop.
As far as the color red that you see, that is just the reflection of the capillary bed full of blood that feeds the eye. In some dogs the retinal pigment is clear and allows the red reflection to shine through without being changed. In other dogs the pigment will change the color of the reflection, some to a greenish white and others to yellow...etc. But this happens in a number of different families within the breed and different animals within nature. So you may have been able to say at one time that Henry's dogs all showed that red reflection (if it was true) but you cannot say that because a dog reflects red it is a Henry dog or has any Henry in it at all because that would not be an accurate statement. One does not imply the other in this case.

 

If those are pics of Tudor's Black Jack, then what dog is this?

I mean this in all sincerity as I am legitimately confused b/c Brown's Gr. Ch. Tacoma Jack (9xw) looks more like the black & white dog than the brindle w/white markings & Black Jack & Tacoma Jack share some dogs behind them (e.g. Swineford's King Paddy).

 

Its BLACK JACK JR,,,,, just wrong name on the photo.....

 

Fair enough. Still, those pics that are supposedly Black Jack don't look like Black Jack Jr. either. Black Jack Jr. looks much more like he's down from the pic I posted of Black Jack, which makes sense since Black Jack is his sire by pedigree. Both hella dogs.

 

Good post and thanks for the intellect Gringo Pistolero...

 

Wow.... So if the eyes shine red they got some Henry in em huh....

 

I believe the ol henry dogs to be throwbacks to the "BLACKDOG"s that were used as war dogs to attack the Isles...
In scottish & irish culture BLACKDOGs were feared and when the english stormed thru villages the BLACKDOGS were known to have glowing eyes... Another reason I believe the ol henry dogs to be a throwback to the BLACKDOGs,
besides origin and the fact the dogs were more on the mean side attacking humans... Stable enough to live side by side with thier handeler but highly untollarable of others... I believe the Zebo dog to be of this type for example...
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Brings to mind what Earl Tudor told his wife to do if one of them black Henry dogs grabbed her. Hit them with a hammer on the head.

 

Now while the Brittish islands were seperated by water and thier type of dogs they utilized...
The Brittish were known to have Dogs Of War that were perhaps of the mollasir type off bigger bulldogs...
Alot of them were Black with similar desriptions of The Ol' Henry dogs...These crossed with the fell tye terriers are probably big contributers to the Brittish Isles Imports...
While both Scottish and Irish heritage hated or feared both/either the Brittish or Blackdogs for good reason,
their villages were pillaged by them...
Scottland had their Blu Pauls that deffinatly resemble some bulldogs of today and some of the game old blue dogs could have been possible throwbacks to these type, who knows...
Ireland had their version of the bulldog refferred to as Red Smutt that also resembles some of the red bulldogs of today...
The gypsie culture from Romania were probably one of the oldest cultures that utilized these type dogs the longest and should probably recieve alot of thought for their actions doing so...
They always moved when need be and always took their dogs to hunt/protect and of coarse fight wherever they went...New land meant new blood they could utilize always breeding to what worked best for thier purpose and
moving on...Send their bulldogs and lurchers to steal a farmers chicken than fight the same dog against the locals just to take their money and daughters...FREEDOM MUST BE NICE TO OBTAIN,TO KEEP IT YOU KEEP IT MOVING...
And oh yes the Spanish had a big influence in all the same ideology just different... ORIGINS...(finally spelt it right,lol)...
The spanish conquers brought similar WARDOGS to the Americas as what the Brittish used on the Isles...
Cortez was conquered these dogs were left behind helping create the cattahoula and other cur types in the southern us...
These same Wardogs along with the CORDOBAs ended up in south americas as well as the Gulf Islands...
Dr.Martinez utilized them both to create the DOGOS ARGENTINOS in the early part of the 1900s...These dogs were fought against Pete Sparks Ol'HUNKY dog in Cuba in the 1950s...
The Cordobas were from Spanish descent also and are obvious proof that the spanish were fighting dogs long ago and might be related closer to the Romanians dogs that could be from the old greece mythology,lol...
All speculation of coarse due to ORIGINS...(now that I can properly spell it, please dont expect me to correctly spell anything else)
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I descussed the Black Henrys, The Blue Pauls, The Red Smutt and The Cordobas and cant dismiss them as possible contributers to OUR BULLDOGS of today...
I think its possible for these type of bulldogs to have been crossed to two other tyes of dogs that were around at the time...
The first one I mentioned in two forms, both the Brittish Wardog and The Spanish War dogs who probably date back to thr Romans...Every "Kingdom" that got conquered lost thier best hounds also ant the Elite had the best dogs to offer, or at least they took them...Both the Brittish and Spanish dogs were a smaller mollaser that resembled a taller bigger bulldog and most have been athletic being able to keep up with the horses and still attack when they arrived to their destinations...I beleive thats where the Ol'Henry dogs got the size and evilness and perhaps when we see that strange BIG THROWBACK that doesnt seem fit, its because it might be an OL'Henry/Wardog THROWBACK...
The second one is the terriers used in the Fells,Patterdale and other Hyland areas...
These little dogs were as game as can be, rugged and hard as a rock...
These little guys had to contribute to the first small IMPORTS and all the smaller THROWBACKS we see...

On another note the Bullenbeisser Bulldog from germany seems to fit the bill also...
They say the TURNSPIT dog died with the use of the JENNY...The JENNY is still alive in the south,lmao...
In the caroilinas there is many so called extinct species of all sorts of animals just like the everglades of florida...
The Wildlife people were handing out fliers looking for a Cat like coyote or a dog like bobcat??? that pictures from the
the first settelers seen and were reported less and less like all the other big foot & chupacabre scenerios that we hear...This cat/dog creature that almost resembled a bear had been seen in the area and killed some dogs...
Not that we thought we seen one one night but, the strange thing is they resemble this HARE INDIAN DOG...
Stange indeed...
Any feed back on ANY of this is welcome, please feel free but try to add some intelect...I am learning here...
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The Tahltan Bear dog sounds ideal fit for a small housedog by todays standards...Damn Small Pox...

 

There are records that show 75-80 lb dogs were more common back then than some care to realize. Interesting post EP.

 

I remember dogs being bigger 20 years ago, IMO atleast

 

I think certain guys preferred larger or smaller dogs. Carver liked his dogs big, for example.

 

So they say the First Cowboys/Cattle/horses came to the us in the 1500s via the Spanards...Please tell me that somehow they didnt leave dogs similar to the Dogs Of War or/and the Cordobas... Cortez left them in Lousianna so I am sure they were left at the shores where they arrived whe they where conquered by the natives upon retreat...The Southern curs could very well carry some of this old world blood that the both the catahoula and the Dogos Argentina...We cant rule out the thought that they were used with the first cowboy crackers of florida...
Timelines and Origins could line up as well, and the Scottish/Irish settelers moving south out of the Appalachians to the everglades to avoids the war just as they did back home.They might of also had either or bulldogs or hound desecendants that helped create the plotts or curs...
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Now they say the first cattle and horses were from spain and rugged and versitile as can be to survive the elements that the english cattle couldnt adapt, While the spanish could thrive in the wild with or with out little human assistance...
I am sure their dogs were equally as tough...Evan though its not documented I am sure the possibilities are there and cant rule it out...

 

I remember Robert Lemm used to insist that some of the "black dogs" we had back then we descendants of some Spanish bulldog type. I just whatevered him at the time... but who knows. May be some truth to it.

 

If there is other breeds in the bloodlines of the APBT ,,,it has to be well before 1900... as their bloodlines are well recorded since then,,,

 

Well nobody was there for every single breeding .

 

You sure about that? I'm not saying that I believe there WERE other breeds or bulldog types crossed in..... but it wouldn't surprise me... not here in the rural south. Can't say it matters much to me either way though.

 

Its hard getting good quality dogs when kept pure ,,,it would be taking a big chance breeding from a different breed ,,, ?

 

I don't believe any man holds the answer ! I do believe other breeds have been added to the mix over time for what ever reason.I am not saying I am right and I am not saying you are wrong.