which is Best Food For Dogs?

It is worth mentioning however... that proper n-3/n-6s can be found in grass-fed red meat (including venison), but not present much in grain-fed beef that most people feed their dogs, so yes, green tripe has its place, but can be replaced by feeding more grass-fed meat or fish. (After all, if you follow nature's model, wolves aren't eating grain-fed beef.) And as for protein... well... a meat diet has plenty of protein by itself of course.

 

you right we all agree to disagree many ways lead to Rome.they are known to eat many berries and frutes as wel..
obviusly the shaking of the stomage and intestens hase a rezen as it dont ad Kalories that mutch but vita and minerals ecetera.
so they need less of it. never the less you wil NOT see them do that when hungry during winter as they wil eat everyting, also shaking out the contense wil cuver the right amound of what they need over the carcas so its just how you look at it i gues ..

 

PS 90% of all the raw feeders feed meats who are raised and fed with grains ecetera...

 

Yes very much so, which is why it's worth to supplement with green tripe, fish, and natural meats like venison to make up for what farm raised foods lack.

 

Our dogs hunt a number of wild animals here. They will kill and eat a wild guinnea pig, they will kill and eat birds and they will kill and eat wild boars. But they will kill a fox and not eat it, they just leave it there.... anyone know why this is?
I figured it may be because it's a canine but how do they distinguish that??

 

I reacon its the taste as mine can be funny like that.

 

if i am not mistaken foxes have a scent gland similar to ferrets and skunks ,my mates stafford half ate a ferret and became sickly with a foul smell coming through his coat and his fur went tacky,so it might be a smell they give off in fright which puts the dogs off.

 

no need to debate as jacko already stated what i pretty much would have said in reply to lymie

 

And the point of this is????

 

Cause those farm raised foods pretty much eating a version of eukinuba (lots of grain fillers key word FILLERS).
Look Limey if you can get one of your dogs to digest some corn i dont know 10 curnals maybe and if you dont find every one of them in that dogs shit then ill start to see things your way

 

The corn in commercial food is processed and is put in there to increase the amount of protein they can say the food has, only what they don't tell you is that a dog can't digest it, its body won't assimilate the corn.
I think that something like 90% of the cost of commercial food goes into marketing.

 

I believe that. I think it's Purina that's been putting out these fancy as hell cat food commercials with 3D? I was thinking how expensive that must be and why can't they use that money to buy better ingredients for the food?

 

I'm just a newbie at this and I use to feed my dog TOTW but changed it to raw chicken quarters and green tripe. I've notice he takes less shit. Looks to have a smaller waist but is just as energetic if not more. Hahaha. IMO gotta go with raw.

 

Gringo pistolero thats because they reconize it as a preditor who compeats for food!!. in the wild lions kill cheetas and lepards as wel and hyena,s and there young but dont feed on them.
The fox altho a own spiecies is belive to be related to the dog. .

As for corn like other products its been prosest in sutch a way that it is pre diguested!!! as a carb sours.
you try to eat corn ore zeed pots and ore raw vetgies and you dont giguest them very wel, if all, hensh we bake and eat bread and boil ore vegies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

having said this a dog hase a hell of a lot beter and more eficient diguesting system then man has.. when i feed Ucanuba i dont feed alot. so i dont get lots of waist out of a dog as wel. so its redicules to belive and ore claim the dog wil shit out lots of undiguested stuff. if that happens you dont feed them right!!!! ore to mutch....

Look al that raw meat feeding is based on the same product meat used in dry foods including veggies.
chikens are fed chikens cattle gets prosest cattle as feed ecetera ecetera iven the vegies you buy are geneticly manipulated and are fed chemical nutrition!!!!! so what the hell are you guys thinking!!!!.
now unless your 100% SURE your getting free roming life stock meat that is fed NATURAL themselfs and ore you hunt your own free roming meat and garden your own biologicel vegies, then i could understand and agree that people would feed raw and feel that they feed there dog a luxury diet...

But sinst 95% of all the meat you raw feeders are feeding is cheap bio industry meat as are the vegies. without the prosesing of making it pre diguesteble and more balansed and more conviniend to feed like dry food ""specialy when you have more dogs""...
Then i belive its redicukless to belive raw is beter..........
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its kinda like the pot is blaiming the cattle is black. your feeding raw bio industry meat then think and belive its beter give me a brake!!!!. when was the last time you eat a free roaming chicken that you slaughted yourself!!!. i can tell you one thing it tasts NOTHING like that silly putty bio chiken meat that is geneticly manipulated to be slaughted at a age of 6 WEEKS!!!!!!! and dilives over 2lbs of meat witch hase NO tased at all...

i DO get goat and dear and beef meet and have it minst and feed in very small amound with my dry food when i used to work a dog.
But as a convinience and taset apetizer and good feeling for the dog .
but it sure as hell wil not be anny beter.. make him beter ore make him live longer ore wil make him perform any beter. sure you have lots of crapy cheap ass dry food with lots of bij products in there,...... but that thussend mean the the raw feeding is beter then a good dogfood brand...... thats just in your head!!!!

 

Yes Limey you are right about the taste in free roaming food or wild food compared to the industry raised food. It has more taste and is a bit tougher but much more healthy and less fattening without all the chemicals.

I haven't tasted industry raised food in almost 2 decades now, our meat is free roaming. I still don't believe any commercial processed food is even close to eating natural food, although I have to admit it is much more convenient and easier to feed dry food. But there is definately a difference for the better when you feed a natural diet and I believe this because I have seen it in my dogs over the years. I feed a 100% natural dry dog food but during winter in order to fatten them up real fast.

I think our cattle is about as free-roaming as you can get....

 

Gringo i grew up butchering small farm animals from goats scheep rabbits chickens ecetera ecetera. my dad used to do that and teatch me as a 7 year old boy.
. i grew up around many diferend ecsotic animals from aligators to jaguars to gevet cats. constroctor snakes you name it.. thats where my love and understanding for animals and nature comes from.

90% of the so called raw feeding naturalist never butcherd there own meat yet ever saw a live chiken!!!!!.they grew up in the hood read a couple of books visited a couple of websites and pretend to know how raw feeding works!!! and claim it is beter............

They dont realized they feed the same stuf thats in desend dry dogfood, witch is iven beter due to the balansed prosesing. and being pre digested..
I Agree when you feed biologicel to free roaming life stock and garden biologicel vegies and stick a hell of a lot of time prepearing minsing the varius diferend meats with the right amound of fat contens and all the other goodies you need to ad in there yourself.

you get a real warm fuzzy feeling and know you feed luxury to your animal. Unfortunatly NOBODY on this forum ore out there in the world would do it that way with the ecseption of a privelige few who are in a position to do so..But that nr is the ecseption rather then the rule. unless they feed 1 dog and spend lots of money on biologicel food and have time to prepear it..
therfor Raw feeding is a fals secure feeling to belive you feed the best.....

 

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I agree I tryed raw for my bandog and its a pain in the ass gettin it just right its easy to keep a 30lbs - 50lbs looking well but I could just tell I wasn't gettin it right maybe I needed to feed more or not a nuff vits in Wat I fed him I just stick to a good kibble now with no Shit in it no fillers just a real sorce of protein (fish) and carbs (potatoes)

I no good kibble is expensive but if u go to there direct websites most have breeders plans were they some times offer money off wen buy more then 20kg a month I get £20 off each 15kg bag it works out cheaper and get delivered to my door in 2days of ordering

 

Some random thoughts, mostly from knowledge around humans, maybe they apply to dogs, maybe not.
Predigested food is not always a nice option, it does apply to certain times like after training or some diseases and that is it. A nutritional burst in a small time frame can go in waist and certainly increases glycemic loads which is not most of times a plus. Continues nutritional supply is preffered.
The animal feeding industry does not use the whole animal and the best ingredients, LOL, the human food industry doesn't for sure. We have mad cows because they fed cows with flours made of cow byproducts, we had chikens on dioxins, should I continue? KFC with 4 legged chikens, McDonalds and goes on and on. Even this highly priced whey protein, which is a nice supplement, is a cheese industry byproduct. In my country we have polution problems because every Ahole cheese producer dumbs his "sweet dairy whey" serum in rivers etc. Maybe I should start a production unit with it.
It is a well known fact that many supplements do not work by themselves as well as they do when taken in natural form, because there are certain other micro nutrients included that aid absorption etc that the supplement industry hasn't researched yet. So, a dry food that has this and that added in is not sure to offer absorption of it.
The old debate if canines eat the stomach contents or not, I wish I knew first hand, I 've read both.
Dogs should not eat carbs and sugars especially, well after gringo advised me on trying honey before a training session, I can say I saw increased energy, makes you wonder...
A paradox I noticed in humans, a boy eats all the healthy stuff and lacks development while another boy eats all the junkfood and is built like a tank, something that could look like a dog on raw feed and one on kibble. My theory and views, when puberty and hormones kick in, calories is basically all that is needed. Consider at what age dogs start schooling, rolling etc. This "nice" development goes as a young adult also. But at an older age, what happens then? Who is healthy who is not? OK, matches are up to a certain age and if succesfull then breeding takes place, wouldn't you want your dog to be healthy and living long?
A final thought, do you believe that in prossesed food chemiacal alterations do not happen and carcinogenic factors do not develop? I think that my dog on raw eats much more healthier than me who I cook everything.
Just a bunch of thoughts and I have no experience to dogs compared to Limey, Gringo and many more members of this board.

 

As far as eating the stomach contents I can only say that I see wild dogs, foxes and coyotes all the time and they eat the innards first usually so my answer is that they do eat the stomach and intestines and the other organs (liver, kidneys, bladders...etc.).

I had some problems with raw meats as far as parasites so I cook or sear all the meats and have had no problems since. The reason I feed natural food to my dogs is because of costs. Here the cost of meat and chicken is much less expensive than the cost of processed commercial dog food so I feed that to save money. But one of the side effects I have seen is that the dogs stay leaner and have more energy.

Tas the honey is good but I found something even better now. I give the dog one cup of warm beef broth with some royal honey or bee pollen in it and a spoonfull of whey protein. I give that around 1:30 hs. before working the dog. Give it a try and see how that works out for you.
In the diet after work try adding some wheat germ oil or just wheat germ,, I have noticed improvement in recovery times doing this.
I was giving 5 cm. of amino acids and vits sub-q twice a week but the dog started running a bit hot so I reduced it to once a week now and I am getting good results.