Owning APBT Books in USA not a good idea?

Even though most of us on here (probablly all of us) are just pet owners and do not paticipate in the illegal activity of dog fighting,is it a good idea to own historical books on the breed?I have read the different articles online of raids and what police look for.The Sporting Dog Journal,Your Friend And Mine and The American Game Dog Times are all listed as "signs of a dog fighter",or something that should peek suspicion.I love to read up on the breed,and love the old stories,and I know about Bob Stevens winning his case.I just wonder if it's worth the risk of even owning physical copies of these books/DVD's...even when being guilty of no illegal activity at all.

 

we free to own and read whatever books we want.they can be suspicious all they want as long as those suspicions dont lead to evidence.books dont make u a dog fighter same as if i were reading about say serial killers dont mean they can lock me up for being one cause im not.books dont equal bodies parts in the fridge or a box in the basement

 

We can own them, but its getting bad, hell look at the dudes down in tenn. that just got raided, dude and his wife split she got pissed and turned him in for dog fighting, then when they searched his house they found Ed's book and next thing you know they are calling on Ed as a witness in the case against the guy because the guy had the complete gamedog.

 

I'd rather own all the my books on a CD-r.Then I could hide them in my Holy Bible on CD case LOL.

 

My right to own books is not one I want to give up anytime soon. If someone is not participating in illegal activities they should be fine owning literature, but awareness is key also. Individuals should realize it can look bad if they are ever searched for illegal activities

 

IX. Legal Issues






A. Investigation and Prosecution


i. Presence of Dog-Fighting

Law enforcement agents may encounter suspicious activity as a result of a citizen complaint, an unrelated investigation, a deliberate investigation or completely by chance. Field agents must be trained to recognize the indicators of potential dogfighting activity. It is extremely common for agents to come across any or all of the following, often in plain view, when there is a presence of dogfighting:

(1) Dogs: Certainly not all pit bulls are fought, but officers should be watchful of signs that pit bulls on the premises are being trained or bred for fighting or have been fought. Multiple dogs are generally housed in one location. More sophisticated operations may look more like a kennel; in fact many individuals who breed and fight dogs do so under the auspices of a kennel to deflect suspicion. Less sophisticated dog-fighters, especially the urban street fighters generally have several dogs chained in back-yards, often behind privacy fences, or in basements or garages. Dogs that have been fought have fresh wounds or scars, in various stages of healing, on the head, chest and legs.

(2) People: A dogfighting data-base should be maintained to track suspicious and known dog-fighters. They will often lead you to other dog-fighters and to multiple locations where dogs are kept and fought. Dog-fighters move their dogs frequently, so it is important for law enforcement to pay close attention to whether a suspect has multiple residences, including out-of-state. Detailed records should be kept of the individuals that come and go from suspicious locations. Surveillance is especially important on nights and weekends, when large numbers of dog-fighters may come together.

(3) Signs of Training or Matches: The presence of a pit is a sure sign of fighting, but agents should pay close attention to blood spattered on any surface. Dogs may be fought or trained in basements, garages, barns, and vacant buildings, so spatters of blood on any interior walls or floors should be closely documented. Dogs are often trained outside, so agents should watch for blood spattered outside, especially near training equipment. When live animals are used as bait, there are generally remains of the animals on site. Agents should look for patches of fur, bones, or decomposed bodies.

Agents should be able to identify the training devices and implements such as: treadmills, catmills (jennys), springpoles (jumppoles), flirtpoles, chains/weights, and any implements used to hang or harness bait animals. Pry bars, bite sticks, or breaking sticks are used to pry a dog’s jaws open when he has gripped onto another animal. Investigators should be trained to recognize these, as they would be quickly overlooked by the untrained eye.

(4) Signs of Transport: Large numbers of portable dog-kennels on site may indicate that the dogs are frequently transported to and from matches and between multiple locations. Adult pit bulls frequently appearing and disappearing from a certain location with no explanation may be involved in fighting.

(5) Vitamins, Drugs, Food Supplements and Veterinary Implements: Most dog-fighters do not take their animals to a veterinarian for treatment for fear of exposure; as a result, it is extremely common to encounter veterinary supplies and manuals during an investigation.

(6) Physical Evidence of Bookmaking/Contest: Agents should watch for trophies recognizing match winners, or conferring the titles ‘Champion’ or ‘Grand Champion.’ Other physical evidence to look for include: ledger slips, match results, stats of an individual animal’s performance in matches, photos of dogs or matches

(7) Technology: Matches are often filmed, and the tapes can be an excellent source of intelligence gathering. Dog-fighters are increasingly utilizing digital cameras, so when possible, computers should be checked for digital evidence. Many dog-fighters also utilize the internet to maintain contact with other ‘fanciers,' post match stats, to order and sell supplies and dogs, solicit veterinary advice, etc. So, a thorough search should probe both computer files and the internet history. The newspaper can also be utilized to identify potential breeding and selling of fighting dogs. Often classified advertisements for fighting dogs include a reference to ‘game bred’ dogs, or some will actually advertise that the bitch or sire is a ‘Champion’ or ‘Grand Champion’.

(8) Publications: Agents may find the following publications:

• The Sporting Dog Journal
• Your Friend and Mine
• American Game Dog Times
• The Scratch Line
• Face Your Dogs
• The Pit Bull Chronicle
• The Pit Bull Reporter
• The American Warrior

 

No its not worth it. Pm me and I'll give you an address to mail anything apbt related to. After that you should get rid of everything in your place. Just about every household has two or more percursors for meth or other illegal drugs.

 

I'm not worried,just being a curious george.

 

It sucks, anything can be used against you.

I think breaking sticks are owned by responsible pitbull owners.

 

Constitutional Rights under personal liberties number 7- 10 should clear this up even for cops or feds who are fishing for B.S. We as APBT owners need to know our rights in this country. We can own and read anything written and published in OUR United States of America. This is not Germany ran by Hitler where what we read in the privacy of our own homes is illegal.....makes me want to go out and buy some of those books to show a f-ing cop them and dare to walk on my property. Sorry for ramble just get heated by this B.S.

 

Anyone know if it is illegal to mail books in the U.S. that pertain to dog fighting whether historical or not?

 

“Fat Bill” Reynolds of western Virginia, convicted in 2001 of transmitting images of fighting dogs across state lines and sentenced to 30 months after Tant testified against him before a federal grand jury.

What's that all about? "transmitting images"?

 

cops look for things that add up on a search warrant. when cops look to see if your a dog fighter they aren't going to indite you on charges because you have a few books that talk about the old days. it is when you have a few books, a few scarred dogs, bloody sponges and buckets to wash the dogs with, hides, bloody breaking sticks, treadmills, 1st hand photos,1st hand VIDEO footage, extensive medical equipment, a ring and so on that makes those books incriminating along with the rest of the evidence. i myself would not even own a breaking stick, but own some tent stakes that i copied off this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mevd_GETOKM . books are freedoms of our country. its the freedom that Bob Stevens won against the supreme court. you can have a book on building a bomb, but just dont turn into Timothy McVeigh you get it. 1st hand photos are damaging including video footage, most books dont have photos like that though. they talk about it but dont show it. just dont let things add up on you and you will be fine.

 

I own a copy of Mein Kampf, does that mean I'm a Nazi?

Sad times when you have to worry about reading material!

 

I have a couple of Don Mayfields books here, hope they dont think im jesus, lol.

NGK

 

http://youtu.be/3WCvULMRUq8

 

I guess I look at it like this:Let's say you have 3 APBT's out back,3 crates,1 carpet mill,1 treadmill,2 breaking sticks,a freezer full of raw meat,some pyrantel for worming,Ivermectin,a springpole on a tree,a flirtpole,and bunch of magazines and books with "famous fighting dogs",some APBT DVD yard videos,oh a few of the of the dogs have some marks from getting into it before you could break them up...well besides "the presence of a pit which is sure sign of fighting" you are major league player according to the post above.All it would take is one nosey neighbor who thinks you fight dogs or wants to make some extra $$$,and you could have to spend alot of money to prove your innocent.

 

my brother

some one with ballz

 

youre right about that. sorry ass neighbor cost me about 11 grand total.

 

Guilty until proven Innocent is how it works now I guess (not just with dogs either).On top of the 11 grand total,they also can't pay back all the time you had to waste either.