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courtesy scratch ?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by STONEY, Aug 21, 2014.

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  1. STONEY

    STONEY Pup

    plain silly is my take on it.
     
    STONEY, Aug 21, 2014
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  2. Dannyb

    Dannyb Big Dog

    What about it is so silly?
     
    Dannyb, Aug 21, 2014
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  3. bootsbjj

    bootsbjj Banned

    If just one dog ever failed to make it then it's not silly at all.
     
    bootsbjj, Aug 21, 2014
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  4. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Silly is not the word I would use to describe a courtesy scratch, its just NOT NEEDED, as a courtesy scratch has no bearing on the outcome of a show, hence why its considered OPTIONAL unless both parties agree to it at any given time.
     
    Saiyagin, Aug 22, 2014
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  5. best2best

    best2best Big Dog

    Could not have said it any better! :-)
     
    best2best, Aug 22, 2014
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  6. shaman

    shaman Big Dog

    so you dont mind taking home a cur?
     
    shaman, Aug 22, 2014
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  7. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    It is a critical moment and needs some verification if you ask .....well ...most everyone it seems...
     
    mccoypitbulls, Aug 22, 2014
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  8. Bmf_bt

    Bmf_bt Big Dog

    ^^This. People are so set in their old ways and can't think outside the box. The winning dog should always show it is willing to scratch and therefore scratch last. A dog that is going to quit should not win.
     
    Bmf_bt, Aug 22, 2014
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  9. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    you can think he ..i have to pick up ...because i made mistake keep ...and see because of that my dog is not going wel (he was better of the chain meaby lol)
    i ick up and give courtesy .....then i go on with his carriere in the next
    no courtesy scratch its ove rfor ever official
     
    keystone, Aug 22, 2014
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  10. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Depends on the crowd, in some past situations it's been the best to grab my mutt and as Steve Miller so famously said 'take the money and run'
    In other words, "thanks, nice to meet ya, gotta go!"
     
    benthere, Aug 22, 2014
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  11. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    But seriously, when I was on the winning team there usually wasn't any doubt or shit talking about my charge, I never liked dishing out unneeded punishment to the loser hence why scratch into a beaten dog?
    On the other hand, yes the losing animal should have the opportunity to prove willing but to let them actually take hold in my opinion shows a lack of class and sportsmanship.
    When it's over it's over, emotions at that time are usually running high and cooler heads should prevail. This is where a good ref comes in.
     
    benthere, Aug 22, 2014
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  12. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I understand both sentiments....yay and nay. It is, however, a situational thing. It's also a choice thing.......sometimes a matter of what one might consider a need, based on the situation and what a handler/owner sees as to whether a courtesy has merit or not. I don't think it's a matter of "old ways" at all.

    If you win your competition, and can feel that your dog is raring to go, I see little need. But, if you lost, and picked up, it might be a matter of SEEING that you need to get your charge its aftercare and take it home. If that is the situation, and both agree that it's ok to courtesy the dog that was picked up, I see no problem in the winner complying with those wishes, and I fully understand that need and have seen its merit on more than a few occasions.
     
    TDK, Aug 22, 2014
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  13. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    as tdk says it's choice...some won't cause they feel there charge can't make,,spec;after a hard race..some will even after a hard one...????...some like to ya leave ya guessing...????..in other word's some will feel there charge rareing to go,,but other time's they have a tired one in there arm's and may-be ..doupt he/she will go..or be able to go..????so lot's of reasons why some do an don't...............????????????...there has been a-lot who have won 5 races or more and courtesy then at a last race just stand there..????..everybody different
     
    BLUE8BULL, Aug 22, 2014
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  14. The Saint

    The Saint Big Dog

    Many years ago I was at a race where the one on the opposite side was coming slower each time he had to make a scratch and taking longer to leave the corner. Each time I was saying "next time he is not coming across", but he did after an 8 second count. Next our charge stood in the corner not going across after he showed no sign at all of quitting the race. The other party could not contain their joy, grabbed their mutt and ran, but to this day I still believe he would've stood with the next scratch.
    I therefore believe to remove all doubt I would always want to have a courtesy. I would like to take him home knowing he left no doubt in my mind, but since all this is not legal I would not compete at all to begin with. ;)
     
    The Saint, Aug 22, 2014
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  15. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I guess I hit post a split second after Ben. It looks as though we basically said the same thing, so obviously we agree. Lots of things are situational, and require what one deems needed at any certain time. If one hasn't seen those situations, one may not quite understand them.
     
    TDK, Aug 22, 2014
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  16. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    That's why I never liked the Eli dogs, I always knew deep down win or lose mine were coming!
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 22, 2014
    benthere, Aug 22, 2014
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  17. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Just kidding guys.....
     
    benthere, Aug 22, 2014
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  18. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Although you see it plain silly, Stoney, you are getting great input on the reasons as to why this is done - and why in some cases it would be silly, while in others it'd be a must. - every occurance is a bit different.
     
    mccoypitbulls, Aug 22, 2014
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  19. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    both going slow
    but one a tiny bit more ..this owner understand ...what ever happen mine is not gonne make it .
    and he is a real sportman .
    then he ask the other ....if yours make a sratch .. right now ...then you winner .
    other does and is winner ...
    you try to win with your dog and the rules
     
    keystone, Aug 22, 2014
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  20. Lonewolf

    Lonewolf Big Dog

    I won't courtesy a winning dog no matter what. No p
     
    Lonewolf, Aug 22, 2014
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