These mastiff x apbt crosses

Some good information with these responses. Regarding boxers, WOM is correct. I havent seen any good examples in the last ten years but I havent been looking either. I am sure they are out there but like most breeds you need to know the right people to consistently find the good ones. I have seen them crossed to other bully breeds, mostly APBT and EBT. The APBT crosses didnt seem to turn out very often but that could be a reflection of the lack of quality of either individual dog to begin with. The EBT do tend to nick very well, sometimes called Dogo Brasilio. Also, the Australians use them a lot in crosses for their boar hunting dogs and they do like what they bring. Most of the Aussie pig dogs also contain EBT somewhere in the mix too. Bandogs are tricky, or I should say people should really do their homework before getting one. Figure out what u want from the dog and what you realistically can handle. Personally I do not like that civil mastiff type temperament. Dont want a dog to seek the hierarchy, be possessive, defensive, etc, etc. The American bulldogs I start with are the Performance type, in general, very friendly and outgoing. Used more for wild boar than say, hard core protection work. About the size, I am keeping the APBT at about 25%, like males to be 75-90lbs. The ABs I have used are inbred to begin with so I think it helps. Many bandog breeders use a mastiff, depending on the program, any mastiff. If one dog in the pairing is inbred and the other is very loose it makes sense that when brought back together the tighter genes would dominate. You can PM me, no problem. If u want check on my previous posts, there maybe some info for you.

 

here was one that I found interesting about the boxer and hog catching http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21163.0

 

If you want a Bandog, why not just get a well bred Presa Canario or a Boerboel?

 

Nothing wrong with someone wanting a bandog.I have saw some really good ones and some bad ones.

 

A modern example of a breeder who is trying to help their dog luadalmatians. These people are doing some good work outcrossing their dalmatians to english pointers to correct the uric acid problems their breed deals with.
I think the same could be done to correct most breeds issues, for the boxer I'd use the apbt,american bulldog, and German shorthair pointer to correct its faults. I know the pointer isn't in the original make up but certain pointers ones have a head structure similiar to Danes and they still have all the utilitarian aspects boxers used to have.

As for Presas, and boerboels, when bred well they are all bandogs. Otherwise you're still stepping into a world of sadness. I went to check out a boerboel"stud" and this guy was pathetic, they wanted 5000 for a dog that couldn't hop into a buick century(the scraper) or walk half a block without getting gased. I told them he wasn't up to breed standard and they should get him fixed. They were like "he's got papers, and they're bred to protect the home not run" I said hows he supposed to protect anything if he cant even run 20 yards out the front door? The only thing stud about him was a wanker that dragged on the cement, its eye opening to see how other people interpret a breed standard.

Look up the breeds that make up the tosa,boerboel,and the dogo and you'll see that even the best "exotic" mastiffs basically equate to being the same dog on a different continent. Then we bring them to america and make sure they're "pure" a great constellation prized for breeding worthless dogs.