Tramp super tramp

was looking of grabbing quality redboy pups to start a new program...I was a little confused...on the ped I see a lot of names like tramp and super tramp...are tramp dogs redboy dogs? I know he had a lot of offspring....also know there are a lot of branches of redboy like boomer and cottingham...this might sound like a newbie question just wanted to know for the longest. I dident know if tramp or super tramp dogs are considered redboy dogs or a different bloodline

 

If red boy isn't in the ped I don't see how it could be called red boy. It would be called tramp or whatever dogs off tramp was used

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Ch Tramp 4x is a jeep/redboy cross, he is his own line now... it's an write up on him and his littermates somewhere online (I got it in pdf form but don't know how to up/dwn load lol)

I have a couple mayday-tramp/sweet williams-brimstone hounds...

Anybody know how super tramp is producing? Haven't heard much about his offsprings

 

The dog that became known as
Ramrod*s “Tramp” was whelped on
the yard of James Garrett in September
of 1987. He is referred to as a straight
cross between the “Jeep” and “Red
Boy” bloodlines. He was sired by the
famed Crenshaw*s Champion “Jeep”,
one of the highest producing Register
of Merit males of this era. His dam
was also a highly noted producing
female known as Marlowe*s “Tabby
Girl”. Even though she is not noted as
an “ROM”, she is known to be a noted
Producer on Record (POR), as she also
produced Champion “Ernie”,
Champion “Little Red Boy”, and the
highly noted producer, the litter mate
brother to Champion “Tramp”, White*s (Garrett*s) “Tab” Register of Merit.
Ramrod had gone down to the yard of James Garrett and took a liking to “Tramp” right
away. Even at three months old “Tramp” had a wild, crazy attitude and an absolute love of life.
He never lost this crazy spirit as he grew older. Ramrod stated that when he would take “Tramp”
for a walk, he would always, without fail; end up having to drag him home. “Tramp” would
always grab the leash in his mouth and start pulling, jerking, tugging and shaking it all the way
home. No matter what Ramrod would do, “Tramp” would never turn it loose. If he did manage to
get it away from him, “Tramp” would quickly get another hold and start the game again!
Once he was old enough, “Tramp” began his schooling. His crazy attitude never
diminished. He demonstrated early on that he was going to be a straight away head dog. He was
rolled about five times and proved to have an average mouth at best. One of the rolls for
“Tramp” was against the eight time winner “Ernie”, who was also on Ramrods yard at the time.
With all of entirely behind him, it was in the late of spring in 1989, that the decision was
made to open him up to professional competition.
His debut was to be against Smith*s “Hammer”, a tight bred “Eli” dog, with the weights
set at Forty-Seven pounds. He was still know as and reported as Garret*s “Tramp” at the time.
Miller was selected as the Referee. Upon release, both dogs begin to swap out chest holds.
However, at the Fifteen Minute Mark, “Tramp” gets into the shoulder on “Hammer” and does
some damage, taking the shoulder out. This fight belongs to “Tramp” all the way. The mouth on
“Tramp” must have improved, because “Hammer” makes a turn at the Twenty-Four Minute
Mark and at the Twenty-Five Minute Mark the fight is conceded and “Hammer” is picked up and
“Tramp” is declared the winner of his first professional competition.
As time passed, in the winter of 1989, a second contest was scheduled, this time against

 

Nate and Company*s “Macho” dog. The weights were set at Forty-Five pounds this time out.
The Macho” dog was sired by Tackett*s Champion “Sam” and whelped by Champion
“Sis”. Champions “Sam” and “Sis” stem from the breeding of “Jeep”/”Miss Rage” and “Eli”
dogs. Big John was the selected Referee.
Ramrod only had about three weeks to prepare “Tramp” for this contest, as he had taken
over the contest for Bailey. This time he was reported as Garrett & Ramrod*s “Tramp”. Upon
release “Macho” went straight into the front shoulder on “Tramp”. However, “Tramp” counters
by absolutely destroying the face on “Macho”. “Macho” simply cannot keep up with “Tramp”. It
was so bad, that the handler conceded this contest and picked up “Macho” at the Twenty-Six
Minute Mark. Both dogs make good courtesy scratches and “Tramp” is now a two time winner.
One prominent fancier present at the time offered Ramrod $600.00 for “Tramp” on the
spot. Ramrod, of course, turned him down.
After several months of well-earned rest coming to him, his third and Championship
contest was set in the first part of 1990, against Mike*s “Mo Power”, a two time winner comes
from some “Boomerang”/ Pat Patrick breeding. It had been reported that “Mo Power” had such a
devastating bite that he had killed both his previous opponents in less than Twenty Minutes.
The weights were once again set at Forty-Five pounds. R. Johnson was selected as the
Referee for this contest. The fight was again reported as Garrett*s and Ramrod Kennels*
“Tramp”. Upon release it is “Tramp” that now comes out hard and fast. He goes straight into the
throat on “Mo Power”. Sometimes in these events tragedy happens, as in all sports. It would
appear that due to a hard, perfect hit, which “Tramp” either clotted or busted the main artery on
“Mo Power”, because he went downhill fast. Try as hard as they might to save him, “Mo Power”
had passed away by the Thirty-Four Minute Mark and “Tramp” was declared a Champion. This
was a contest that was talked about for a long, long time and is still remembered by the many
fanciers around the Chicago area. However, his story did not end here.
He took the complete year of 1991 off and just enjoyed life itself and making a few
babies along the way, with some outstanding ladies, that now found him most attractive.
However, the report was run in the January - February 1992 Issue of the Sporting Dog
Journal concerning his fourth win. This time it was reported as Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”
coming out.
Our Gang Kennels had the dog “Jason” that had defeated Champion “Triple Ott Rock” in
under Forty-Five Minutes. “Jason” was a Carver bred dog. This contest was set at Forty-Seven
pounds and Bolman was selected as the Referee.
Upon release “Jason” and “Tramp” immediately begin to swap out holds. Both dogs are
biting hard and both handlers are seeing bleeders within in first three minutes of the contest.
“Tramp” begins to counter the hard, fast moves made by “Jason”, by fighting the head and
working the nose. “Tramp” gets into the chest and throat and begins to pull ahead by the Twenty
Minute Mark. “Jason” begins to fall farther and farther behind and starts to fade and his handler
concedes the contest and picks “Jason” up at the Thirty-Seven Minute Mark leaving Champion
“Tramp” to be declared the winner of his forth contest.
One of the greatest attributes noted for “Tramp” was his amazing finishing abilities.
However, as time passed, he also proved himself to be an outstanding producer. A lot more
ladies found him even more appealing now and I mean a lot more.
Remember that his littermate brother was White*s (Garrett*s) “Tab”, also a listed Register
of Merit. One often wonders why “Tramp” was not listed as well.
I realize that some fanciers* memories are short. Maybe fanciers cannot recall the

 

Champion “Gomez” dog that “Tramp” produced when bred to Goode*s “Louise”. Champion
“Gomez” was over 10 years old when he passed away in December of 2004.
Or how about Dee*s Champion “Spider” when “Tramp” was bred to Dupree*s
“Jezabelle” female. She went on through time to become a highly noted producer herself and
often referred to as an ROM!
Surely fanciers have not forgotten the great Champion “Rommel”, another outstanding
producer in his own right. He was whelped by the noted producing female Mickel*s (Otter*s)
Sassy”.
Champion “Rommel” was a highly noted, tremendously game dog. He was also totally
blind!
Right there are three Champions that (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp” produced,
off three different females. But, let*s not stop there.
We cannot leave out the Champion “Jake” dog who won his first four in good
competition. He was picked up in his last contest. However, things happen, he was a great dog
that should not be over looked when talking about “Tramp”. “Jake” was whelp by a forth female,
Markley*s “Precious”.
(Garrett*s) Ramrod*s “Tramp”, when bred back to Ramrod*s “Rose”, produced the
Champion “Rose” female, most over listed as either Luke*s or Viet Nam*s Champion “Rose”,
but sometimes seen as Lonnie*s Champion Rose”. She has also been referred to as Lunsford*s
Champion “Rose”.
Sometimes research of this type can be confusing. Believe me I know!
Ramrod*s “Rose”, a two time winner, was either the same female as Bulcher*s “Mama”,
or her littermate sister, sired by Gaines* “Fargo” and whelped by Gaines* “Bahama Mamma”. I
could not get this fact confirmed. However, when Ramrod bred this, “Rose”, Ramrod*s “Rose”,
to Champion “Tramp”, Champion “Rose” was then produced.
Well now, there you have five females and five Champions. Should (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s
“Tramp” be listed as a Register of Merit just like his littermate brother Garrett*s (White*s)
“Tab”? I think so.
However, there is still yet another that should be mentioned. That would then make six
Champions sired by (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”. That dog is Lunsford*s Champion
“Sinbad”.
You see, Lunsford*s Champion “Sinbad” was produced when (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s
Champion “Tramp” was bred directly back to the female known in some cases as Bulcher*s
“Mama”.
Now, like I said, she may be the same female as Ramrod*s “Rose”, which would make
Lunsford*s Champion “Sinbad” a littermate brother to Champion “Rose”. Or “Mama” could be a
littermate sister to Ramrod*s “Rose”, in which case, would the make Champion “Sinbad” a half-
brother on the top side and a first cousin on the bottom side to Champion “Rose”. In either case,
they would have an identical pedigree.
Also, in either case, it worked extremely well. Lunsford's Champion “Sinbad” went on to
become a four time winner.
Well there you have it; A little something to remember about the great dog recorded as
(Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”, and definitely recognizable as a Register of Merit dog.
Most fanciers, who know me, know that I have never been a “big” “Red Boy” fan. This is
not because they are not great dogs, surely they are. I can profess to that. However, I could never

 

get the consistency out of them that others could, for whatever reason.
I have never been a fan of the so called “Jeep” / “Red Boy” crosses, as they are so
inaccurately referred to by young fanciers. These two lines are not “crosses”, but rather breeding
two tight bred Colby lines back together, with about a quarter of the Tudor dogs lined in. They
are more of a blend or a splice, rather than a cross, if that is how you want to refer to them.
Take a close look at the pedigree of (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp” and you
can see exactly what I mean.
First, let*s look at Finley*s Grand Champion “Bo” Register of Merit, the sire to
Crenshaw*s “Jeep” and we will do a little comparing to the pedigree that produced Bass* “Tramp
Red Boy”.
When looking at the pedigree of (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”, the dog
named Colby*s “Texas” (The son of Colby*s “Dime”) appears three (3) times behind Finley*s
Grand Champion “Bo” (ROM). The half-sister to Colby*s “Texas”, the daughter of Colby*s
“Dime”, named Colby*s “Jenny” appears once.
Colby*s “Texas” first appears as the sire to Loposay*s “Colby Rusty”, when he was bred
back to his own daughter Burkette*s “Dutch”.
Burkette*s “Dutch” appears twice, the second time as the dam to Loposay*s “Tiger Lilly”.
This makes Loposay*s “Tiger Lilly” and Loposay*s “Colby Rusty” half-brother and sister. The
same thing hold true with Colby*s “Texas” and Colby*s “Jenny” being half brother and sister.
Now, Loposay*s “Colby Rusty” produced Loposay*s “Dubs”, the sire to Grand
Champion “Bo” (ROM), and Loposay*s “Tiger Lilly” produced Loposay*s “Dot”, the dam to
Finley*s Grand Champion “Bo” (ROM). Finley*s Grand Champion “Bo” (ROM), of course, was
the sire to Crenshaw*s “Jeep” (ROM).
Now, just for a moment, let*s get off the Crenshaw*s Champion “Jeep” (ROM) tread mill
and run awhile with Bass* “Tramp Red Boy”.
Remember the fact that Colby*s “Texas”, that we have already mentioned, was sired by
Colby*s “Dime”, as we stated, and he was whelped by Colby*s “Margie”.
Dropping down to Bass* “Tramp Red Boy”, first let us take a look at the dog Teal*s
“Sarge”, which as you should know, sired Teal*s “Jeff”, and when Teal*s “Jeff” was bred back to
his own daughter, McCloud*s “Susie Q Gal”, they produced Bass* “Tramp Red Boy”.
What a young fancier may not realize or notice, is the fact that Howard Teal*s “Sarge”
and Colby*s “Texas”, mentioned when discussing “Jeep”, were littermate brothers! Both were
sired by Colby*s “Dime and whelped by Colby*s “Margie”. Teal*s “Sarge” appears five times in
the bottom side of (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”.
Take just a little closer look at the pedigree on Crenshaw*s Champion “Jeep” (ROM) and
you will also notice that Loposay*s “Dot” was the daughter of Loposay*s “Tiger Lilly”, and sired
by Loposay*s “Bullet”. Keep this in your mind and go back to the bottom side of Ramrod*s
Champion “Tramp” and look at Bass* “Cleo”. You will notice the female Loposay*s “Eve”, and
hopefully realize that she is the littermate sister to Loposay*s “Dot”, and Loposay*s “Dot” was
the dam to Finley*s Grand Champion “Bo” Register of Merit!
If you are still not convinced, look again at the pedigree behind Crenshaw*s Champion
“Jeep” (ROM). Now, consider the sire to Loposay*s “Bullet” (the sire to Loposay*s “Dot”), that
we have mentioned. His name was Teal*s “Jake”. Now, once again travel to the bottom side of
(Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp” and notice the dam to Teal*s “Jeff”. Her name was
Teal*s “Lou”. Have you noticed yet that she was sired by Teal “Jake”, thus making her a half-
sister to Loposay*s “Bullet”. Teal*s “Lou” appears four times in the bottom side of Ramrod*s

 

Champion “Tramp”.
Can you still honestly consider the breeding of the descendants of Crenshaw*s Champion
“Jeep” (ROM) to the descendants of Bass* “Tramp Red Boy” as a cross?!?
Do you honestly believe that a dog like (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp”
happens by accident!
Over the years, I simply never felt that, even though blending or splicing of these two
lines, (Those lines preserved by J.R. Loposay and those preserved by Howard Teal), directly
back together has produced some of the most outstanding dogs of their time, that those off spring
would or could produce as good as they were themselves. Even though it has worked that way
for some fanciers and breeders, for several generations, I guess I am harder to convince or maybe
just slower to learn.
The blending of three quarter Colby to one quarter Tudor has worked for decade after
decade. It will also work in reverse, three quarter Tudor to one quarter Colby. Even through in
some Lightner or Corvino, if you can find it!
You must forgive me. When I was learning about dogs, we refereed to them by the
“Men” that bred the lines, not one particular dog or another. For Example, a Earl Tudor, John P.
or Louis Colby dog. It was a Corvino dog or a Wallace dog. Not a “Eli” bred dog or “Dime”
bred dog or a “Red Boy” or a “Jeep” dog. Those were just individual dogs of many that came
from a breeder. It was the knowledge, experience and dedication of these “Men”, and others, that
created them.
The, along comes a dog like (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp” Register of Merit,
an outstanding producer in his own right, as we have shown, whose off spring are also
outstanding producers. All stemming from this “Jeep” and “Red Boy” cross!
It is enough to makes you sit down and think and re-think everything you thought you
knew! A dog like (Garrett*s) Ramrod*s Champion “Tramp” Register of Merit is enough to make
even the most avid and loyal, staunch supporter of any other popular, modern day, line of dogs
sit down and maybe raise an eye brow and go “hummmmm?”

 

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Thanks man appreciate it...so is super tramp tramps son? And basically trap is a battle cross between redboy/redboy

 

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Tramp is jeep/redboy

 

Thats a real well bred dog right there

 

Wish more could be said about him...

 

I was thinking of another dog lol

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those who know, know

 

Well "if" you know something inbox me... I have some tramp, and know plenty of people that also have it... nobody's heard nothing, good or bad.... so let me know

 

Jeep/Redboy a proven crosss

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Are you sure!?

 

Anybody know about this fella!?

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