game dog ?

can a game bred dog get along with other animals such as dogs, cats and such? or would the ability to get along with other animals disqualify it as game? I'm really curious about the opinions on this.

 

Gameness does not equate to aggression. That is NOT to say that they aren't found together (probably more frequently than not) but they are completely seperate issues. Stratton mentions several dogs would would get along well with other dogs (usually puppies and opposite sex dogs) and even a few who got along with cats who were game dogs. Remember that gameness is the willingness to CONTINUE fighting, not necessarily start one, especially so when not in the pit.

 

Game Bred is the will to not give up. That dosn,t mean that it wont get along with other dogs, but if it comes down to it that the dog will die trying. That is what I think game bred means

Please Correct Me if I am rong

 

Then if a dog is never in a pit then wouldn't that lower the importance of gameness, thus opening the door to staffordshire-esque qualities, ? I'm so damn confused.

 

Gameness can be a positive quality outside of the pit. Some folks have said that gameness seems to tie in with a stable personality. Both of those are qualities that would be nice on any dog, IMO.

 

Just don't trust the dog, you'll never know what could happen.

 

Like mentioned above is never mistake aggressiveness for gameness they are two different things. There are game dogs that can get along with other animals but that is very rare. The ability for the game bred dog to get along with other animals means he is not really animal aggressive but he can still be game.


Definition-Gameness=The degree of will to never give up

-Aggressiveness=Hostile,combative,violent,quarrelsome,and fight crazy etc....

 

I would say yes.....for example if you have a baby cat and a baby game dog and they would grow up together....they would be friends for life...they would fight for each other! The same with a game dog and a toy dog souch as a toy poodle or a chiuaua....Its another colored horse if you put a game dog with another strong dog together(same sex). Or if you put two game dogs together...i wouldnt say a friendship is imposible in this case but there is ever the chance for a fight...even if they grow up together...thats not the fault of the game dog because it can also hapen with 2 Rottweiler .The problem in this case with the game dog is that the game dog has the ability,skill,drive and gameness to kill every other dog big or small.....and then its not importand how or who the fight started....

 

Game Bred means you have an offspring of two proven parents....thats all

 

You nailed it mydawgs...of course a game BRED cold dog will get along with other animals. A non-game bred, game dog may or may not. A game-bred game dog, may or may not. The odds change depending on how you train the dog. You can never train dog-aggressiveness out of a fighting breed, but you can curb it and control it for practical purposes (in public, etc).

If game-testing is illegal, why do we put so much importance on game today you ask? Because gameness is the single trait that made APBT's diffrent from any other breed in the world, historically, and today. If you do not have gameness, you have just another dog. A truely game, game-dog is the offspring of generation after generation of breeding warriors to champions....dating back hundreds of years to bear-bull-baiting and before. Its pride knowing you have a dog largely unchanged for this long-it tells you something is truely great about these dogs to stand the test of time-as most show dogs dont. In the show world, you breed for fads and whatever the judges like at that time. In the game dog world, the single breeding trait has been unchanged throughout history-gameness. Our dogs today are a glimpse into the past when people honored courage, and heart...and thus, possesed it in great quantities themselves. I hold dear those qualities of never giving up, having undieing courage and strength...and that is why I like to keep ancestors of the most perfect examples of those traits that ever lived. If all you care about are looks and romping in the dog park with Labs and Weiner-dogs to pick up ladies, than these breeds ARE NOT for you.

Also, with game-testing historically, it contained many other things besides gameness. For the gameness to be tested, the dog must be structually sound enough to do battle for upwards of 3 hours at times. The dog must be tempermentally sound enough to be handled by strangers, before during and after the fight. The dog must be true enough to its ancestors to hold its own in the pit, and still come home and sleep in bed with you at night. Gametesting tests the dogs in these areas in ways which no other way can test this thoroughly, and thus, you get the complete dog generation after generation. Stop testing this way,and these traits quickly go down the drain to be lost forever.

 

You nailed it mydawgs...of course a game BRED cold dog will get along with other animals. A non-game bred, game dog may or may not. A game-bred game dog, may or may not. The odds change depending on how you train the dog. You can never train dog-aggressiveness out of a fighting breed, but you can curb it and control it for practical purposes (in public, etc).


I couldn't agree more. I have a game bred APBT that is fine with other dogs, and a show bred Am Staff that will not tolerate other dogs at all (with the exception of my male). I have spent a lot of time and money training her so I can manage her dog aggression. The thing that stands out in my mind the most about what I have learned from my training this dog is, it is all about who is the leader. My female challanges me for the alpha role every day that she breaths. When she finally realizes I will not relinquish my control she will abide by my commands, but every day I have to re-establish who is in charge, because every day she wakes up thinking she is. I have her to the point where when she sees another dog she will look at me as if to ask for direction....she stays on me until the dog has passed. During training other dogs have actually come up and sniffed her, she will only look at me, she won't even allow herself to look at the dog. This means if left to her own devices she would gladly be a knucklehead.......

My male has no problems with me being the alpha, I personally think he is just lazy...like his daddy (hee hee)

 

A couple of mines will tolerate other dogs as long as the other dog shows no aggression

 

there have been many famous game dog that would get along w/other animals (unless they made the terrible mistake of trying to challenge the dog), for example Jimmy Boots.

I have 2 game-bred bellymate bro/sis - they are good together under supervised "playtime", but with ANY other dog they would grab them immed.

I would'nt EVER try putting 2 dogs together that are questionable, ESPECIALLY if you do not know how to properly seperate dogs (this means Hitting them, kicking them, squirting them w/the hose, etc are NOT acceptable ways of breaking a scrap up, and w/good dogs this NEVER works).

When the 2 have play i ALWAYS have someone else around, and a parting stick, because you NEVER know what may happen. You could have 2 dogs that have been together for 6 years and never had a problem, then one day they decide they want to scrap... EVERYONE that owns APBT's NEED to be educated in seperating dogs and have a break stick. its being responsible.

 

oh, and having a parting stick does NOT mean you condone the matching of dogs, it means you are RESPONSIBLE.

though, this is not something you want sticking way out of your back pocket for all to see while your dog pulls you down the street... that is asking for trouble.

 

thanks Rock that makes alot of sense, What were the most game of the game dogs back in the old days then? I am familar with Colby's but haven't seen one in 15 years atleast.

 

My males are like that, my females dont care if the dog is showing them their belly, they think its go time. So no doggie time for them...

 

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You nailed it mydawgs...of course a game BRED cold dog will get along with other animals. A non-game bred, game dog may or may not. A game-bred game dog, may or may not. The odds change depending on how you train the dog. You can never train dog-aggressiveness out of a fighting breed, but you can curb it and control it for practical purposes (in public, etc).

If game-testing is illegal, why do we put so much importance on game today you ask? Because gameness is the single trait that made APBT's diffrent from any other breed in the world, historically, and today. If you do not have gameness, you have just another dog. A truely game, game-dog is the offspring of generation after generation of breeding warriors to champions....dating back hundreds of years to bear-bull-baiting and before. Its pride knowing you have a dog largely unchanged for this long-it tells you something is truely great about these dogs to stand the test of time-as most show dogs dont. In the show world, you breed for fads and whatever the judges like at that time. In the game dog world, the single breeding trait has been unchanged throughout history-gameness. Our dogs today are a glimpse into the past when people honored courage, and heart...and thus, possesed it in great quantities themselves. I hold dear those qualities of never giving up, having undieing courage and strength...and that is why I like to keep ancestors of the most perfect examples of those traits that ever lived. If all you care about are looks and romping in the dog park with Labs and Weiner-dogs to pick up ladies, than these breeds ARE NOT for you.

Also, with game-testing historically, it contained many other things besides gameness. For the gameness to be tested, the dog must be structually sound enough to do battle for upwards of 3 hours at times. The dog must be tempermentally sound enough to be handled by strangers, before during and after the fight. The dog must be true enough to its ancestors to hold its own in the pit, and still come home and sleep in bed with you at night. Gametesting tests the dogs in these areas in ways which no other way can test this thoroughly, and thus, you get the complete dog generation after generation. Stop testing this way,and these traits quickly go down the drain to be lost forever.
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VERY well put, as usual!!!!!your wording is amazing!!! always great to read, 14rock!!!

 

Good post 14! Glad to see you still holding down the fort. Shon and Marty better appreciate your efforts and time man!

Can a game dog get along with other animals?

A cold game-bred dog is labeled this way because it has been tested (or at least "looked at") and proven not to "start" (unwilling to fight). This type of dog is fine with other dogs.

A game-bred dog may or may not show aggression. If it has "turned on", obviously he/she will not be able to get along with "new" animals presented to it. If it has had animal "friends" since puppyhood and hierarchy has been previously stablished (game-bred as alpha of course!) and accepted, they should get along. If the relationship (game-bred dog and "other" animal) never stablished the game-bred as Alpha, do not keep them together after it has turned on. He/she will not accept dominance as it did before it turned on.

A game-dog (proven) will follow the same thought process. If it has been exposed since puppyhood to other dogs, it may understand submissive behavior and behavior of a puppy. This is not to say most bulldogs will abide by the rules of submission but by giving them this experience (learning dog body language) from puppyhood, it will improve the chances of getting along with submissive dogs. For example, ROCKSTAR's Ch "bitch" (I can't remember her name) gets along with a Chihuaha(according to Rockstar and a pic of them playing with this Champion bellying up to the chihuaha).

 

If I might add,
You may be able to train a dog from game lines to be friendly with other dogs to a certain point. It is possible that the dog won't try to kill anything if it is trained to ignore other dogs. But you have to remember, that dog wants nothing more than to get at the other dog. That doesn't change. The dog is just trying to please you. Therefore, just because the neighborhood dogs are lucky enough to not feel its wrath, it is not safe to let your guard down. Eventually, there will come a time where a dog will piss it off enough to where the willing to please the owner may become overruled.
Just because you trained your dog to get along with the boxer down the street, it does not mean that he won't eventually have a poodle by the neck in the dog park. Keep your dogs out of dangerous situations and rely on the training as backup.

 

The old timers use to say that the gamest dogs are usually the ones that dont bother other dogs because they are so confident in themselves they have nothing to prove but of course that is not always correct but it does have some truth to it. In the past Dibo was one of the dogs that could be around other dogs without going fight crazy. In todays time the famous Gamblers Grand Champion Virgil who was dog of the year can walk with Gambler while he feeds the other dogs. Just becuase a dog acts really aggressive doesnt mean he is game hence the term fight crazy cur.