Breeding to a well bred cur?

i read either nine r ten cant remember

 

Cur

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=58512

 

This breed was created by breeding performing dogs to performing dogs, its called selective breeding. Breeding based on pedigrees and looks have ruined just about every working breed yet people still want to argue its okay....

 

He was also bred to a daughter of honey bunch in 1979. Crenshaws polly...

 

Well it's not really the same thing. Breeding questionable dogs and using them is different than breeding questionable dogs to raise them and breed them to more questionable dogs. If your the one usin them, for any particular purpose, the only one you might fuck over is yourself.

 

A litter off of 2 proven dead game dogs would have never happened.

 

True but few are breeding and keeping litters in 2K12.

 

Thats the problem dream!

 

Hey Dream, bro always love your passion for your arguments, amd always respect your opinion. I will say this, the breed wasn't never all about performance hounds. Back on the days bro a dog could quit and br placed back on the chain for another day. Some didn't care if their dog had only 30 mins in them, long as they could win in that 30 mins. Some folks breed for game dogs and some competitors breed for winning dogs. Pedigrees mean a lot. That's why dogs who quit or were cold got bred, because of the lineage in them, they might not have showed what the lineage showed but they were given chance to see if they could produce it. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just running my soup coolers..

 

The way I see if is some dogs produce thmselves and some produce what is in their pedigree but either way eventually the bullshit in your ped is going to come back to bite you in the ass. I know some people rather have a rough talented dog instead of a game dog but for people who want game dogs I would be a lot more confident in my dog if there isn't a bunch of curs behind them. There will always be the winning vs gameness argument so no point into going into that again but for this conversation I assume we are talking about breeding gamedogs.

 

You also got to remember gameness has no standard, it's not exact so one man opinion could be that dog showed more gameness inthat 30 mins when he stopped then the next showed in the 2 hours..

 

Well dream lets take the often debated Finley's Bo. He was said to have quit and been a cur. Now said cur not only reproduced himself but did it quite well. This coincides with what Rock said about "one mans opinion or standard" will differ. The only thing we can do is find the best dogs available, that we have first hand knowledge of, and make your own way. Then your standard will determine what kind of dogs you keep. All a matter of the man behind the dogs is the way I see it.

 

True on the gameness standard but this thread is about breeding a cur meaning a dog you would consider a cur. And mistabonz for every cur who produced well there is 100 that didn't. A good rule of thumb is good dogs produce good dogs. Look at the dogs at the top of the rom list, the majority of them were good quality dogs themselves.

 

The rom list cracks me up

 

And Dream I know full well what the thread is about. My only point was that breeding to a well bred cur has worked. Would I knowingly breed to a cur, no! But I don't really care what anyone else does because I only have control over the type I would call worthy of feeding.

 

Hmmm,, I think I remember some time ago that pure Jeep dogs were great on the power but lacking in the bottom end so they outcrossed to the Red Boy and got back those competitive dogs that were also game. Seems to me that those of you who say that Bo reproduced himself true to his traits are right. Seems to me that what most of you look to as an excuse to breed to a cur just goes on to prove my point why you SHOULDN'T breed to it.

You kids always looking for that shortcut to easy street, the shortest road in the end is the one that makes you work the hardest.

 

Hey Gringo, (off topic) I never knew the Jeep dogs to be power, always thought they lacked power, they were strong and were out front dogs but didn't have that extra level. I'm a fan of Jeep dogs as well as many other. Never understood Redboy theory bc wasn't his grandsire a dog that stood?

 

I may be wrong Rock n Rye, but I do seem to remember the talk about the pure jeep dogs being that they were hard dogs. I know Jeep's brother Charlie won over Mayfield by chewing his dog down so I imagine they were up there with the Dibo dogs as far as mouth but as I said I am not sure.
I remember reading something about the first crosses with the Redboy dogs that produced some very good ones that drew a lot of attention to that cross and caused it to be repeated over and over. Fat Bill may be able to tell us a bit about that, I think I read it in his magazine a number of years back.
As far as who Redboy is down from, I don't believe his pedigree, I don't believe he was a Colby dog. Of all the rumors going around about him, the one that strikes me the most credible is that he was a Corvino bred dog that was lent for a match. But really I don't have a clue if that's true, all I know is I don't believe him to be a Colby dog.

Anyway, when you compete there will be times you win and times you lose, that's all part of the game. There are two ways to lose, standing with your ego between your legs in the corner or showing what a true bulldog is about. How you breed and select your dogs will determine which way you lose.

*A similar situation also ocurrred with the Redboy/Jocko crosses.

 

Oh you were talking about mouth, that's my apology i interpreted incorrectly. Yes they did have some solid punch, Jeep had punch no finish but good punch and just remembering some of JC keep routine he probably took out a lot of mouth from them dogs but they still mostly had good punch hey Honeybunch wasn't cotton mouth either.

Yes I agree again because I believe Redboy to be Corvino/Hemphill but didn't want to open that can of worms on this thread jaja.

I love a great game one, that's why I hope all of them to be, but if they were just game I'd keep them home. I hate to see one cur, and I couldn't imagine the feeling of embarrassment of one soaring over the wall so I'd rather them show what true bulldog is.

 

i agree to a point but it is what you consider a cur not some some say bandit was a cur, some say bullyson was some say rascal was and others say they were deep. game those dogs mentioned were top quality dogs going into other top quality dogs and when they suposedly quit it was not no buullshit battle none of those dogs were absolute wall jumping rank curs, i can tell you right now i would have kept bullyson rascal and bandit, and that would be my choice the only thing i would not do is lie to ppl about i would tell them the truth if they think i am crazy well they could grab a weight and prove me wrong