Feeding during a keep?

A sled dog in is a slow twitch endurance athlete. Fighting breeds are fast twitch power athletes.
You become protein efficient after 21 days.

 

You are right Yas, but how would fat help as a snack in race?

Can you explain what you mean by that.

 

Sorry for the delay Bas, been a bit busy.
I agree with you that fat would have no immediate affect as a snack. I think it would be more important for the dog to carry a degree of body fat which would then be used as fuel just like people who swim the English Channel fatten up to do so. These same people are a lot leaner when the arrive in France.
Re: becoming protein efficient, I was referring to people. If a dog was fed a good quality protein/meat diet it`s body wouldn`t become
messed up like a humans so would never have to become protein efficient again.
While fibre is very healthy in the human diet, there is no physiological need for carbohydrate. Taking away all the health problems caused by carbohydrate and the insulin response that they cause, the human body gets used to using carbs as it`s primary fuel source, if you go to a low carb diet after 21 days the body becomes protein efficient ie. it now uses protein in the same way and just as efficiently as it did use carbs so energy levels are high once again.
If you feed your dog a raw diet of good quality meat and if you add vegetables you blend them in order to break down the cellulose that it cannot digest, or even if you feed a very high quality no grain kibble you will not have the health problems associated with giving your dog inappropriate carbs or grains and so the dog will always be protein efficient.

 

got you man. thanx

 

I've enjoy reading ur methods guys... Ur helping me! Tnx... Keep it coming.. .

 

it's def a combo of both feed and work. Look at dirtyd's dog. She has a thread how i conditioned my dog. Its a dry kibble with a few supplements and thats it. The work though seems like it was a little bit more sought after. Then just start with a base, work that for a week and see where your dog is? Then go from there, increasing the working, decreasing feed, decreasing water, stuff like that. The ol' kiss method haha. Keep it simple stupid.

 

one of the best threads, I've read so far. Excellent info for beginners like me. One question, at what point does the apple cider vinegar come into play? After the feed or in the feed? How often & how much is fed?

 

bump bump, lets keep this tread active. There must be other members with valuable contributions.

 

I would think that however premium a kibble is , it is still overcooked and lacking in the natural goodness that a raw diet gives a dog.i know of few if any dogmen who have switched from kibble to raw and not seen a complete improvement in all round health and vitality.raw if you can be bothered is by far the best and most natural way to feed your dog and in a keep even more so.

 

Sled dogs races do not compare to gamedogs races...different rules, different atmosphere all together. Sled dogs don't need to make weight.

 

Ok first time i whent over this topic .. I like to say that Ch dynomite is spot on on lots of things!!. KISS (keep it simple stupit).
there are many ways that lead to Rome, in other words there is NO absolutes in feeding and ore conditioning . manny famelies are bred raised and selected on varius diferend stiles and performances.
witch on itself asks for diferend ways of conditioning and feeding!!.

one thing is for sure a great state of HEALTH is the most importent thing besideds being on weight and having the right genetic build up.
fresh meats en vegies and stuff are a thing of the past!!!!! and compleatly outdated. you simply can not beat a quality brand of dog food!!.
ad some suplemends(minor) some carbs and be done with it . also ChDynomite is right the times of 90 days of work upto hours in rediculess. Been there done it . its a waist of time energy money. learnd the hard way.
One thing tho, people who think FAT is not importend are plain stupit.
a dog system is NOT like a human ore cant iven be compeard to it.
Humans swet out of every pore in there body dogs only on there tonque and feet. Dogs also walk run perorm on 4 legs humans dont.. the heat lost of a human body is a hell of a lot BETER ore more eifient then that of a dog.Yet a dogs compleat system is more efisient then ours. not to mention the skeleton make up and the way people and dogs sirvive and live , so you cant compear them at all. both animals ask for diferend ways of nutrition and conditioning. but thats another story.

Energy Sourses:
First quik most powerfull energy sours a dog uses are CARBS they wil last (when presend)for 20 min negatif side afect is massif amounds of lactic assid build up. (hens they run hot ) during the recuvery period in between winds and getting rid of the lactic acid the body needs to find the

necst energy sours witch is FAT .

Fat containes the greatest amound of energy(kalories) but its a slow release energy sours.
to speed up the energy burning from fat try to use fat sours that is LIQUIT at room temparature and ore as said befor great exspensif dry food brands wil diliver mostly that(stick you hand in a bag of high performance feed from a top brand and your hand is cuverd in fat/oil).
also all the poison,s that come in crap food and feeding like conserving suplemends ecetera in feeds to make it last for a long time, are stasched in the fat resirves, witch the dog builds up and ore containes . witch wil be released into the body and bloodstream making every living aimal feel bad!!!(.ask a Diabetes person who needs to loose weight and ore anybody that is loosing weight they need to drink lots of water to detox)

Afther fat hase been used up the body starts to switch to Protien (red flag) all the vital organs including the brain harth are build up out of protien. As soon as a dog is starting to use protien he is consuming himself!!!!. therefor a fat less feeding program ore a dog to lean is not going to help the dog.

A 30% protien 20% fat food is called for!!. The only thing protien is good for is to be able to repear!! the muscle tisuew that is damaged due to BUILD up performance workouts and being conditiond to work in a sirten way!!!...
The FAT sours in dogfood is the endurance!!! energy sours!!!!...
over the last nearly 30 years we have used nearly every trick and secred in the book about feeding and conditioning
. my advice is sumulair to Ch Dynomite!!. dogfood companies like Ucanuba Purina senseble chooice ecetera put in high $$ nutrients and base produckts to produce the best posible dogfood out there.
And like in any other bisenis ""YOU get wat you Pay for"" there is simply NO WAY you can compeat ore feed against all the sience thats been put into dogfood divelopment!!!!. not even witch fresh meat and vegeies ore fish altho lots of people think they can.....

 

why is raw not as good as a premium kibble limey is it because you can't get a balanced diet and therefore not consistant ?....on another site i was on i mentioned that my mate used to get his mates dr death and kk eukanuba at a discount price . someone else wrote in and said that he never used just the eukanuba he also used raw ?

 

Lots of quality dog foods are ""pre"" digested, and there for mutch quiker for a dog to digest, witch meens less strain on the internal system and gut, and quiker recuvery . and a dog that emties out mutch quiker having less risk of running hot during workouts.
Also the quality dog foods are made with ingridients that are sientifickly combined and balansed to get the maximum nutrition ubsorbtion out of the food "most bang for your buck"". and yes consistense has also got alot to do with it as wel. i dont know wat DR Death fed and as stated many ways lead to rome .
But we started out feeding the oldtimers way and conditioning. i can tell you one thing over the years, the 90 days where brought back to 50 days ore less, working a dog upto 5 hours a day where brought back to 3 hours, and feeding bouls with piles of food where cut douwn to 30 %. not to mention the smelly waist that comes out the dog was cut back significendly. iven de smell of quality dogfood and the way it is ubsorbt bij nature hase been sientificly prosest to give a bare minimum of strain on people and nature.

 

thanks very much limey

 

how r complete raw meal brands compared to kibbles then, they r very refined, even smaller then kibbles. i think they digest just as fast and they r also balanced out for dogs

example: carnibest
Contains: Fresh beef, fresh chicken, fresh ground vegetables, rice, cold pressed sunflower and linseed oils, vitamins and minerals.


best of both worlds?

 

well i say that even the best royal canin will not compare to a raw balanced diet.the only reason you wont get the balance right is from lack of research in what to put into your dogs feed , and today all anyone wanting to change from the overcooked kibble to raw is to google raw dog feeding and away you go.anyone who has fed their dogs raw compared to expensive kibble will never go back , and if you just think about it for a minute , the whole keep it simple talk is actually corect , but by feeding raw the dogs get the best most simple and nutritional diet they can have.now if you have to feed kibble , then of course a high quality brand will be better than a cheap one , but the raw diet is far more natural and once your dogs from a puppy to adutlhood have ben cruching and chewing thier raw feed and bones , their bite is such and the stamina within the bite muscles ,that is a real eye opener.

 

in our day and time in the past CAN food (same as these modern big sausages barf ecetera) where and are primarely made of waist products.

The whole fresh meat feading today from diferend brands is just another marketing hype,to make money. insted of them prosesing it for you and making it look like a nice palet that is pre diguested and more balansed, they
offer you the goods with a story"" fresh feeding is beter"".at the same time they save lots of costs and investmends in quality food prosesing plants..
Funny how dogs of all varius of breeds in the past in a time where dry specific dog feeds where not avialeble and who where fed ""fresh"" from table scraps ecetera didnt look as good as the dogs of today.

also there is a BIG diference between Roughf protein
and protein labeling on dog foods.
roughf protein meens that lets say 30% of the base of the feed, ore food is based on a protein sours!!, but that thusend meen the food actualy containst 30% protein.
The 30% roughf protein sours in a chicken based food, is lets say 30% chicken meening feathers bones skin gut ecetera. its NOT 30% pure chiken meat!!!!. ther for the food thusend contains 30 protein, but may consume 15 ore 20% protein same thing aplies to fat!!!!

 

^^^^^x2^^^^^^^ On Gars comment

 

what feed did you use for conditioning and general maintainance limey... was it eukanuba ?

 

??limey, what are your thoughts on beef suet and pork or beef dripping as an added source of fat ? /