Clouse Dogs

Mallard like I told you in response to that email that your proposal is RETARDED! The reason why it's RETARDED is because all the needed DNA is ALREADY on file with UC Davis.

What you proposed is the long way around a short way. Tiger, Sierra and Princess' DNA is already profiled with UC Davis and all it will take is a swab from Danger and Scarlet, have the DNA compared and in a couple of hours the results are done!

Another thing why would I split the cost with you when you are one of the doubters and haters? I have already had the dogs DNA compared so why would I have that done AGAIN, more money out of my pocket....no thanks! You talked SHIT now put your money where your mouth is! Like I said before JS can hold the money and my previous results I will post on this board as well as the new one!

BTW like I told you in my email I don't have a problem doing things your way as long as JS holds the money...I ain't doing nothing for free or splitting the costs. I'm already out money for the previous tests and now I'm looking to profit from your HATE!


BTW I skimmed over your long ass post and there were some INCORRECT FACTS you and many others like to prepetuate.

I have talked to Ironman sevearl times and on several occasions he has stated that 90% of the kennels success was because of I.M. when he was associated with the kennel. While taking a dump I picked up and started reading the 75th anniversary GAZETTE from Aug. 1984 and noticed two breedings in particular. Both breedings were from people who bought dogs from I.M. and in both ads they thanked I.M. not Ironman for being able to obtain the dogs. My math is decent so that means 27 years ago there is historical FACTS to show who was responsible for the success of the kennel.

I read where you criticized I.M.'s current stock compared to what he was feeding when Ironman was involved.

How did you know the quality of the dogs when Ironman was involed?

How do you know the quality of the current dogs I.M. has now?

I take it you are talking from first hand experience, right? WE both KNOW you aren't so isn't that just hate from your end?

Who are you to criticize someone when your only claim to fame is beating a Martin Ceasar/Staff/UKC show bred dog 30 years ago. You talk like you have a production record equal to or greater than I.M.'s. I'll be more than happy to remind you of what EXACTLY you've done in dogs...ZERO!

Mallard you like to swing from Clouse's and KZB's nuts but their production of accomplished dogs PALE in comparison to what I.M. has produced. Here is another FACT for you...Both Clouse and KZB's production COMBINED don't even come close to what I.M. has done! Let me take it another step further and throw out this FACT... I.M.'s other lines i.e. Boudreaux(Check), Hemphill, Satan(Ch Rascal's brother) and his heavy Creed dogs have been more SUCCESSFULL and has produced more ACCOMPLISHED dogs that YOU,CLOUSE or KZB COMBINED!

I personally have watched your HATE consume you to the point where you posted INCORRECT FACTS about Berry on that bullshit OFRN message board. You left out a few facts when you tried to discredit her.

1) First time out coming from behind @ 14months!

2) Berry went thru three different people's keeps!

3) Berry traveld more than 5000+ total miles!

4) Berry seen four different states!

5) Berry seen altitudes ranging from below sea level to 9000+ feet above!

6) Berry once spotted over 3 and 1/2 pounds and shut the show down in 9!

7) Berry never once....NEVER ONCE showed a bad sign even when she went 25+ pounds uphill into her mother!

How strong is the family from which Berry came from? When bred back to her father produced Arrow which is STILL ALIVE and his owner JS said was the best OFRN dogs he's EVER seen! H-Squad who conditioned Arrow said he woule have KILLED their Ch 4xw-1xl OFRn dogs in under 20 minutes! JS also owns more KZB dogs second to only KZB himself and on a four way call with myself, NorCal Reds and I.M. said on a performance sacle the KZB dogs are a 1 and 1/2 and arrow was a 12 on a scale of 10! Once again just show the QUALITY of the other lines I.M. breeds! Hey you don't have to take their word about the quality of another line I.M. breeds as little Daryl. He was there at M.S.'s since he is/was her kennel dude and saw arrow first hand. You know D, the brutha that was long stroking your mentor's(Gascon) wife! I'm sure he will be more than happy to tell you of the quality of Arrow!

JS NEVER was concerned about Joliet Jake being DNA profiled contrary to your previous post. When JS asked about Joliet Jake he was still alive and how do I know? I was the one who called I.M. on three way with JS and breeding to Joliet Jake was discussed and he was still ALIVE! You really think JS is caught up in DNA? Last time I checked NONE of KZB's dogs have ever been DNA profiled...EVER! JS knows KZB bred dogs with Patrick the known self admitted paper hanger! Knowing this didn't stop JS was spending the cost of a fully loaded brand new Honda Accord worth of money with KZB!

Mallard I read where you were questioning I.M.'s character but what does character have to do with quality dogs? I have never seen a dogman's character in holdsI I have never seen a dogman's character scratch! Last time I checked nobody cared that Carver was a pimp. No dogman ever gave a shit that he was once a security guard at the San Antonio Zoo. Last time I checked nobody cared that Carver was a multiple KILLER when getting dogs from him!

Mallard I'm sitting here scratching my head because it's obvious you don't see the glass walls, glass ceilings, glass doors or glass house in which you live and are throwing stones from. Of all people I would have thought you would have more empathy for people whose character has been in question.

Now let me get this straight you criticized I.M.'s character when you ex-wife questioned yours when she accused you of molesting her underage daughter, your minor step duaghter...hmmm how did that feel? I find it ironic that you even brought up the whole character issue...I was SHOCKED to say the least! How did you feel when your character was attacked like that?

Oh and I felt the pain in your voice when you called me up and asked me who said you called Animal Control to JS's house..I heard it in your voice. You must have forgot to attack someone else's character when you were accused of ratting out another dogman...is your memory that short? Funny you forget these things when you let HATE consume you!

Mallard let me give you some words of advice or should I say wisdom....

Put the tall glass of HATERADE down, shut the fuk up, back away from the computer, get a new mentor, learn how to condition a dog, learn how to handle a dog, learn how to show a dog, get a production record equal to or better than those you criticize and STOP bribing little girls with a bags of candy(ALLEDGEDLY) will you be able to criticize those who have done it!

In my next post I'll go over your breedings and production record...well lack of!

 

No shit man.So fucking what if he fucked up on a date.This shit happened before i was even born,so i don't have an iron in this fire.But from the outside looking in,all i can see is group of hater's that follow this man and his dogs around.So sad that they have nothing better to do.

 

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Really when was this because I.M. only been on Don's chat a couple of times.
He called Don and gave him a password so Don really knew when he was on the chat because anyone could use any name or handle on Don's chat. Every so often you had to renew your handle.

I recall when Don was running his mouth about I.M. and I.M. got a call about it and I.M. registered and logged in and called Don out directly about ripping people off with the books and magazines, stealing dogs, violating the Mann Act with his own cousin, etc. Don didn't have a word to say. I.M. also at this time told Don if he still able and wanting to go hunting then they could in old Mexico.
So Gar grow up and shut up about people and places you know nothing about..
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You know good an well if I didn't have the information Ch. Butcher Boy fought to a draw then I wouldn't wanted to bet. Will I give you information? NO!
**You will not give the information because it doesn’t exist. You are a coward hiding behind a bet. You remind me of Mayweather ducking Pacquiao. I wish Mayweather would just step in the ring. I wish you would just man-up and produce any materials you have and in the process, proving that your word means something.

MIKE, YOU ARE A COWARD WHO WON'T TAKE THE BET.. IT DOES EXIST!
AGAIN LIKE THE BROKE DICK YOU ARE YOU WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE, NOT AGAIN BEGGAR!
PICK ONE OF US, EVERYONE OF US WILL MAN UP WITH YOU!

Who told you where he worked?
**You (IM) supplied the information that lead me to where he worked.

AND WHAT HAPPENED PAGE? YOU RAN YOU MOUTH ON THE COMPANY PHONE!

You were told just to ask him if there was a dog he owned off that breeding.
**If I was told to ask him anything, than obviously I was directed to where he worked, dumb ass.

WELL ASSHOLE WHY DID PUT HIS JOB IN JEOPARDY BY ASKING ABOUT DOG FIGHTING?

You were given a lot information in the past and what did you do?
Call a man at his WORK PLACE and want to talk about dog fighting.
**That’s funny. If you want to know about the content of the conversation, have a look at those e-mails I sent to Joe (that you posted). In those e-mails, I am asking him to confirm things from the conversation we had over the phone, so I would have it writing. Rest assured, it was not I who brought up whether or not that dog had been tested. The e-mail you posted proves what Joe and I discussed. Per the e-mail, I wanted to know what colors the dog was throwing and if there was anything around, outside of your yard. I asked some general things about the dog and he volunteered the rest based on his comfort level with me over the phone. I confirmed this when I verified what was said last night.

YOU MEAN THE ONE SIDED CONVERSATION OF YOUR QUESTIONS WHICH WASN'T ANSWERED...
AS IT ALSO SAID IN THE EMAIL, THAT NONE OF YOUR EMAIL WAS RESPONDED TOO!
YOU VERIFIED NOTHING LAST NIGHT.
HE WON'T TALK TOO YOU. BTW BOTH I.M. & IRONMAN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU IN PERSON.
JOE NEVER BROUGHT UP ABOUT A 13 WEEK OLD PUP BEING TESTED.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION, IT WAS ONLY YOU ASKING HIM QUESTIONS.
YOU DIDN'T GET THE ANSWERS OVER THE PHONE SO YOU WENT TO EMAIL WHERE J.T. FORWARD THEM TO I.K.
AS YOU POSTED, YOU ASKED IT IKE WAS EVER TESTED AND YOU CLAIMED J.T. SAID NO.
J.T WOULDN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. YOU ARE THE LAIR PAGE, J.T. NEVER CONFIRMED OR DENIED ANYTHING.

J.T. told to go to email and ask what you wanted to know. He also told you he won't say anything on the phone or before he talked to Dan.
**That’s not true. He did not ask me to e-mail him anything. He didn’t expect an e-mail from me. I obtained Joe’s e-mail from the Harley website. I asked some general questions about the about the dog and he took it from there. He said nothing about talking to Dan before answering any questions. That’s the perception you are trying to create. I only e-mailed him in an effort to get what he said in writing, based on how it exposed your attempts at non-tested breedings. He later called his friend and was told to button-up, as you realized he openly shared things which consequently cast a bad light on your true breeding methods.

THIS GETS BETTER AND BETTER. SO AFTER HE WON'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE DOGS ON THE PHONE,
YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO EMAIL HIM PERSONALLY AT HIS WORK? TALK ABOUT STALKING!
HE WANTED OFF THE PHONE WITH YOU AT WORK. HE NEVER OFFERED ANY INFORMATION TO YOU BY PHONE OR EMAIL.
HE SPOKE TO YOU POLITELY TO APPEASE YOU SO HE COULD GET OFF THE PHONE WITH YOU.
HE NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT ANY BREEDING METHODS AND AGAIN YOU HAVE NO PROOF HE DID, ONLY HATRED.
I POSTED THE EMAIL WHERE "IN WRITING" HE STATES HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
IN THE EMAIL HE STATES BEFORE HE DID, HE WANTED TO TALK TO DAN BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED YOU ALREADY HAD WITH DAN AND I.M. WHICH YOU DIDN'T GET THE PERMISSION TO ASK THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS AT HIS PLACE OF WORK.
NO, HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANYTHING ILLEGAL THEN AND NOW. NOT ABOUT ANY BREEDING AND IF YOU THINK THERE WAS NON-TESTED DOGS BRED AND SINCE YOU WANT EVERYONE TO BELIEVE YOU WERE IN DOGS SINCE THE LATE 70'S, WHY DIDN'T ASK TO GO INTO THOSE NON-TESTED DOGS?
FOR THE SAME REASON WHY YOU DON'T NOW, NO HEART!

You laid (lied dumb ass) and used I.M., Ironman as references.
**I obviously figured out who Ironman is by now. I have never spoken to Dan, nor have I used him as a reference. I have had a few conversations with you (IM) but I have never used you as a reference either. When I talked to Joe, I stated my reason up front for inquiring about the dog. Like I said before, Joe ended up giving information that he felt like sharing, based on his comfort level during the call. You are upset because the call exposed three attempts to make a breeding from an untouched dog. I didn’t call to learn about that but Joe shared what he wanted.

LETS GET THINGS STRAIGHT HERB, MALLARD, PAGE WHATEVER, YOU ADMITTED ALREADY YOU TOLD JOE HAD YOU HAD TALKED TO BOTH. CRAZYHORSE HEARD IRONMAN TELL HIM ON THE PHONE THAT J.T. STATED YOU USED THEIR NAME TO GET INFORMATION!! BOTH CAN SPEAK TO J.T. AT ANY TIME DAY OR NIGHT IN A SECOND. J.T. CALLED IRONMAN IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU CALLED AND TOLD HIM WHAT WAS SAID AND ABOUT THE EMAIL.

AS YOU WERE TOLD BY UKC AND AS I POSTED ABOUT LYMAN, IKE WAS SAMBO. WHY AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS OF HIM BEING ALIVE AND BRED, WHY DIDN'T YOU WANT HIM? BECAUSE YOU ALREADY FOUND OUT SAMBO WAS A WINNER AS WAS WROTE ABOUT BY BOGGS IN SDJ? STILL GUTLESS I SEE. OR WAS IT YOU DIDN'T KNOW IKE WAS SAMBO? BECAUSE J.T. DID TELL YOU HE GAVE IKE BACK AS A PUP. YOU FORGET THIS WAS ALREADY BEEN WROTE ABOUT YEARS AGO OF J.T. HAVING THE DOG UNDER THE TREADS ABOUT WARREN'S RED SATAN.

You laid (lied dumb ass) and claimed you already talked to Ironman.
**No. I did not say that I spoke to Dan. Re-read the e-mail that you posted. Dan is only referenced in the e-mail because Joe volunteered that Dan picked up his dog in order to breed to him. I also confirmed last night that I never said I talked to Dan during that conversation. If Joe is saying that I dropped Dan’s name (or yours), then Joe is either mistaken or you are lying (the latter is obviously correct). Joe seemed like a pretty honorable chap, so I believe that he is either mistaken or that the alleged Ironman reference was crafted by you. If I said it, I would admit to it. I don’t know Dan, nor have I ever talked to him. Because Dan’s name is mentioned on the e-mail, you are assuming I dropped his name. Joe mentioned Dan, as he volunteered the dog was picked up three times in an attempt to breed him. I was only trying to get Joe to confirm in writing, what he said over the phone.

YES YOU DID TO J.T.
YOU ARE A LAIR, YOU HAVE NEVER IN YOUR LIFE SPOKE TO IRONMAN.
BTW THE WAY, J.T. NEVER SAID THAT.
HE TOLD HE GOT "RUSTY" FROM I.M. OFF CH. IRON BOBCAT AND APACHE AND I.M. TRIED TO BREED TO HIM BUT HE WOULDN'T PRODUCE.
NO WHAT IS OBVIOUS IS WHO WOULD CALL SOMEONE UP AT WORK, THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE PERSON AND START ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE YOU DID PAGE. HOW DID THAT GO DOWN? YOU CLAIM J.T. IS ALSO A LAIR, WHY WOULD HE BE? IT IS CLEAR YOU ARE BECAUSE ANY PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD NEVER CALL A PERSON UP AND ASK ABOUT TESTING DOGS ON THEIR WORK PHONE WHICH YOU NOW YOU HAVE TO ADMITTED TOO BECAUSE YOU STATE J.T CLAIMED THEY WERE UNTESTED DOGS...
SO YOU DID ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND GOT NO ANSWER!
HOW COULD ANYONE ENTER INTO THESE QUESTIONS WITH A PERSON WHO DOESN'T KNOW YOU OR YOU KNOW THEM AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS WITHOUT STATING YOU TALKED TO THE BREEDERS (IRONMAN & I.M.)?
AS I POSTED ABOVE J.T. DID CLAIMED TO IRONMAN YOU TALKED TO HIM,
THIS IS WHY IRONMAN WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU.
DON'T WORRY, HE COMES TO CA. ON NOMAD BUSINESS FOR THE IRONWORKERS M.C. AND VISIT HIS FRIENDS IN THE 81.
IF YOU GET TO BE TO MUCH OF A PAIN IN THE ASS, SOMEONE WILL ADDRESS OUT THERE.
THEN ALL ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED AND ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED. WILL THIS MAKE YOU HAPPY?


BTW Danger also got to hear what Ironman thought and what he wants to say to you in person but my gut feeling is, there won't be much to talk about.
**Then that’s the situation based on what he thinks.

OH FOR GOD'S SAKES, DON'T! DON'T BE A FOOL.

You had to keep pressing on the phone about Ike aka Sambo
**Pressing? You are trying to paint the picture of Joe being pushed around. I am not so persuasive and Joe didn’t just fall off a turnip truck. He knew what he was saying and said what he wanted to say. I simply asked a few general questions about color and offspring and Joe took it from there. You’re trying to paint a picture of Joe as if he is a gullible and defenseless senior citizen that had his life savings taken from him. Far from it. I didn’t bend Joe’s arm. In fact, I actually enjoyed speaking to Joe as he seemed like a pretty down to earth fellow. You just don’t like what he said.

HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING OF WHICH ARE TRYING TO CLAIM AND THAT WHAT GETS YOUR GOAT.
YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT IKE AKA SAMBO AND HE WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT RUSTY.
SO HERE IS, NOW YOU WANT TO BE GUTLESS ALL YOUR LIFE?
I.M. HAS A WAY TO RESOLVE THIS FOR THE LAST TIME.
CALL HIM, HE WILL PUT YOU ON 3 WAY WITH J.T. TO TELL YOU DIRECTLY AGAIN, IKE WAS GIVEN BACK AS A PUP AND IT WAS RUSTY HE KEEP YEARS LATER IN 1983 WHEN HE WAS A PUP.

(BTW Mike you called UKC and they told you Ike was Sambo and who owned him, I.K.).
**Of all my UKC inquiries, I have never researched Sambo. I do not have an interest in Sambo, er, Duster.

THEN YOU NEVER CALLED UKC & INQUIRED ABOUT IKE AS YOU LIED AND CLAIMED YOU DID OR YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD IKE WAS SAMBO.
YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE.

J.T. told you about his Rusty dog off Ch. Iron Bobcat and Apache, you had to ask him about his fighting career ON THE PHONE AT HIS WORK PLACE!
What did you think he was going to say? You are an idiot.
**No, There was no conversation about a dog named Rusty (note that Rusty is not mentioned in my e-mail that you posted, so there’s my proof). That is your attempt to deflect what you did with Ike. Joe and I talked about Ike. You want it said that we talked about Rusty because those 3 untested breedings with Ike that were attempted were leaked.

NOT IN THE EMAIL BUT ON THE PHONE. YOU WANTED HIM TO CONFIRM SOMETHING HE NEVER SAID AS IT IS WROTE ON THE LAST EMAIL, HE NEVER RESPONDED TO YOU.
HE NEVER TOLD YOU IKE WAS HIS HOUSE DOG NOR DID HE RAISE HIM.
I.M. TOLD IN THE STORY OF RED SATAN, ABOUT J.T. GOING TO GET THE PUP TO BE A HOUSE DOG WHICH WAS AT IRONMAN'S HOUSE WHICH TOMMY TOOK.
THIS IS HOW YOU FIRST GOT THE INFORMATION ABOUT J.T. IS YOUR MEMORY SLIPPING "MR. DATES"?

Research? LOL who lives minutes from UKC?
Do you think people don't have fast and easy access to their stud files?
**So, if someone lives closer to a building, the information they receive is more accurate than someone who orders the exact same information over the phone? You never were very bright.

BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SPOT A LAIR WHO CLAIMED HE CALLED AND PAID FOR INFORMATION OF WHICH HE NEVER DID.
NO ONE EVER CLAIMED YOU WERE THE SHARPEST PENCIL IN THE BOX!

I guess the late Lyman K. didn't breed Nugget to Sambo and I guess he wasn't there at Cowboy Bob's place at the hog hunt? Hell Lyman went to all the hog hunts. Hell even Boggs writes about Lyman in the column of "Beginnings with Boggs" in SDJ.
Do you think before the thread was posted on I.K. billboard a check wasn't done with UKC?
**What does that have anything to do with the fact that you give out incorrect information that I slammed you on (Butcher Boy) and bred three times to an untested dog? If other unrelated facts are stated, is that supposed to reverse something you posted that wasn’t true? Nice try.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT IDIOT!
LYMAN SAW SAMBO WORK. BOGGS SAW HIM WORK..
THE CHECK WAS TO SEE IF YOU EVER CHECKED WITH UKC AND YOU HADN'T..
BTW THE WAY, THERE NEVER WAS A DOG BRED 3 TIMES, BESIDES UNTESTED.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH DOG YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE REFERRING TOO. NEITHER DO I THINK YOU DO.
LET ME EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT ONE THING WHICH I DIDN'T CHECK THE RECORDS.
RUSTY WAS OFF CH. IRON BOBCAT AND APACHE. HE WAS A LITTER MATE TO MS. BOBBY.
RUSTY WAS TESTED. AS WAS MS. BOBBY WHO WAS BRED TO ROWDY THAT JESSIE BOGGS HAD.
NEXT YOU WILL STATE HE WASN'T TESTED WITH DON Q? I'M SURE BOGGS WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT ONE CLOWN!
I'M SURE BOGGS WOULD LIKE YOU TO STATE HE BRED TO AN UNTESTED BITCH.

You think there was a fee charged? This is how I.M. knows you are a lair about paying for research!!!!!
**I’m not putting thought into whether or not the UKC charged you for information. I can tell you though that I have paid for several research pedigrees and offspring reports from the UKC. Other information however was freely obtained.

NO, YOU HAVE CLAIMED ON THE INTERNET THAT YOU PAID TO DO RESEARCH ON THE CH. IRON SPIKE R.O.M. BREEDING TO HEMPHILL MAUD. BTW THIS HOW I KNOW IN THE EMAIL IT WAS BULLSHIT, J.T. NEVER REFERRED TO HER TO YOU OR ANYONE AS MAUDE, YOU NEVER PAID A PENNY FOR ANY INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU NEVER DID IT. DON'T TRY AND CRAWFISH OUT OF YOUR LIE NOW YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT.
YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE INFORMATION ON IKE AND NOW WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE A LAIR BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN FIRST IKE WAS SAMBO AND 2, IKE WAS NEVER BRED UNDER THAT NAME BUT UNDER THE NAME SAMBO.
IF YOU WANT PAPER WORK SENT, AS IN A PEDIGREE FROM THEM, WHETHER IT IS YOUR DOG OR SOMEONE ELSE YOU ALWAYS HAD TO PAY TO OBTAIN PEDIGREES NEW OR OLD. NO ONE HAD HAS EVER HAD TO PAY TO BE TOLD WHO OWNED OR PUPS OFF FROM A UKC DOG, ONLY IN WRITTEN PEDIGREE FORM.

Now you want to know why the email was sent to break off contact?
Because of the way you handled it by calling and asking about dog fighting at his work place.
**It was Joe who volunteered that his dog was never touched. My agenda was not about whether or not a house pet was tested. Look at my e-mails and you will see that I was trying to find out what colors were being thrown from a Spike x Maude dog, in order to help prove or disprove the validity of your brindle near pure Hemphill dogs. You know this which is why you are doing this damage control. His dog never being touched would not have been a big deal, if it wasn’t followed up with the fact that Joe said Ike (the name he used) was taken to be bred three times. Your bold lettering and emphasis on dog fighting is an attempt to mask your true breeding methods. You are trying to make it look like I broke some kind of sacred rule, so the focus will be on rule-breaking, rather than the fact that Joe unintentionally let the cat out of the bag (meaning that you attempted to breed three times to an untested dog). Again, all of this your panicked attempt at damage control to deflect what you did.

YOU HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED TO ASKING ABOUT THE DOG OVER THE PHONE, BECAUSE YOU INQUIRED ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH HIM.
"NEAR PURE?" WHY DIDN'T YOU INQUIRE ABOUT LYMAN'S DOGS MARKINGS WITH UKC? MAYBE BECAUSE YOU NEVER CALLED?
OR THE PEDIGREES OF JARRETT'S DOGS FROM PITSTOP KENNELS OF OH.?
BTW HOW WOULD J.T. KNOW OF ALL THE PUPS COLORS?
THEY WERE WITH I.M. J.T. GOT 1 PUP GIVEN TO HIM.
NO IT IS CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW WHO TRYING TO COVER UP DAMAGE CONTROL AND WHY BY YOUR POSTS.

THIS BULLSHIT OF WHAT J.T. WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE SAID IT JUST THAT FIXTION! J.T. NEVER SAID IT NOR WOULD HE TALKED ABOUT IT.
IF ANYTHING HE WOULD HAVE SAID HE NEVER DID FIGHT A DOG EVER. AS FOR BREEDING A DOG IT WAS RUSTY. THAT IS ONLY GROWN DOG J.T. EVER HAD.
OH BTW, J.T. NEVER HAD THE PAPERS ON RUSTY. SO HOW DID LYMAN GET THE PAPERS ON HIS DOGS?
BECAUSE IKE WAS SENT BACK AS A PUP. WHY? HERE IT IS, BECAUSE HE WAS JUST LIKE HIS MOTHER!!!!
BTW RUSTY WAS "NEVER" TAKEN FROM HIS HOUSE, THIS HOW I KNOW ALL THIS IS A LIE OF WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE UP TO DISCREDIT A BREEDING.
HEY MIKE PAGE, WHEN YOU SAW THOSE BREEDING WHEN THEY WERE PRODUCE, WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING IT UP THEN?
LYMAN ADVERTISED THE BREEDING.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GO INTO ANY OF THE PUPS FROM LYMAN'S BREEDING LIKE POPE'S GR.CH. BRUTE OFF CH. IRON BEAR AND NUGGET PRODUCED? THE ONE JAKE KELLY WATCHED HUNT?
WHY NOW PAGE? IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A HATER WHICH GOT PUT DOWN THE ROAD AND KICKED TO THE CURB AND CALLED OUT ABOUT YOUR YARDSHITTERS AND THE CURS THEY ARE?
BECAUSE YOU WERE X OUT ON GETTING DANGER BECAUSE YOU ARE A BROKE DICK WHICH ONLY UNDER AGE KIDS IS YOUR STYLE?

He called Ironman about it. Danger heard what Ironman had to say about it.
J.T. also told you the pup was given back at about 3 months old. Yes, he was given to Little Joey as a house pet for the kid, who Ironman is God Father too. Rusty wasn't given as a house pet after Ike. Nor was he untested. I won't list the many well know people who saw the quality of the dogs off Ch. Iron Bear and Ch. Iron Bobcat bred to Apache like the late 2 Shoes or the breeders of Maurice POR off Daytona or the breeder of Ch. Lively or Jessie Boggs, to the owner of Ch. Gideon and the rest.
**Dog went back, huh? That’s contrary to what Joe said. I guess that’s your way to save face about the fact that the dog was untested and taken to be bred three times and to be clear, the quality of your early Iron line dogs (while Dan was involved) has never been questioned by me. From what I have been told, Dan’s involvement made that yard superior. After he left, things changed in just a few generations but that’s just my opinion.

YOU ARE A LAIR. J.T. TOLD YOU HE SENT IKE BACK AS HE TOLD I.M. AND IRONMAN AS WAS CONVEYED TO DANGER OF J.T. STATED TO HIM.
NOW DON'T BE TO STUPID. YOU ARE ALREADY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD WITH I.M., I SURELY HOPE YOU AREN'T SO DUMB TO ALSO TRY TO MAKE IRONMAN OUT TO BE A LAIR.
DANGER ALSO HEARD WHY IKE WAS SENT BACK FROM IRONMAN.
REALLY? WHO BRED AND WHELPED THE LITTER OFF GR. CH. TAFFY R.O.M. & MAXIMILLIAN R.O.M.?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PICTURE OF I.M. HOLDING THE WHOLE LITTER TOGETHER WHEN THEY WERE PUPS AT HIS GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE WHEN IRONMAN WAS LIVING AT THE FATHER'S HOUSE IN KY.? HE WASN'T EVEN IN THE STATE!
IS THAT WHY EVER ONE OF THOSE DOGS OTHER THEN SPIKE IS BURIED AT I.M.'S HOUSE. SPIKE IS AT THEIR MOTHER'S HOUSE.
WHO BRED AND WHELPED THE LITTER CH. IRON BEAR AND CH. IRON BOBCAT, ETC?

THAT'S RIGHT, GR. CH. TAFFY R.O.M. IS BURIED OUTSIDE I.M.'s BEDROOM WINDOW. GR. CH. KOKO, CH. IRON BOBCAT, CH. IRON BEAR, YUP THEY ARE ALL THERE, INCLUDING CH. GAMBLER, CH. DUTCHESS, BOUDREAUX' CHECK, ETC.
WHO WAS THE BREEDER AND CO-OWNER OF THE MOTHER OF CH. GAMBLER, CH. RED DOG, CH. DUTCHESS, CH. HAGLER, ETC.?

 

Who are you? A no body and never will be.
**You seem to spend a lot of time obsessing over a nobody.
AS IT WAS WROTE BEFORE BY I.M., IF YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TALKING AND NO ONE IS RESPONDING,
PEOPLE MIGHT BELIEVE THE LIES ARE TRUE.
AS WAS IN THE CASE WHERE YOU WENT SO FAR TO PUT UP THE WEBSITE ABOUT HEMPHILL DOGS AND TRIED TO CLAIM WILDER WAS THE BREEDER OF MAUD INSTEAD OF GROVER SPEARMAN.
LIKE WITH CH. BUTCHER BOY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS MORE FUNNY KNOWING YOUR FAKE ASS DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THE DRAW OF BUTCHER BOY OR WHEN I PROVE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AS WAS DONE WITH THE THREAD TO MORGAN.
BTW DON'T FEEL BRAVE THE THREAD IS STILL UP, JUST NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIEW.

You dare to knock the accomplishments of I.M.? LOL
**I’m not knocking your accomplishments. I have publically written that I respect what has been achieved; however, you have a history of giving out incorrect information.
The rest is your diatribe.

I THINK IT IS CLEAR, YOU ARE! AS WHAT WAS ON THAT WEBSITE.
BETTER YET HOW ABOUT A LINK TO THE SO CALLED STATEMENT WHERE I.M. CLAIM "ALL" THE MATCHES WERE IN THE 60's?
I NOTICE YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO THE CLAIM I.M. WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE STATED BRIAN CLARK WAS IN THE PICTURE WITH RON SYKES, JAKE WILDER AND BILL PRITES!
THE REST SEPARATES FACT FROM FICTION OF WHO DID WHAT AND WHEN.

Look at the dogs he bred, fed & hunted. I can't believe you think, you have the right to question the merit of any dogman who had the balls to dare to be n da [] & compare.
**I’m not questioning your history of achievements concerning dog fighting [].
I’m challenging an incorrect statement you made. The rest is just your ranting and re-directing because you got bitch slapped.

OH HOLD ON SISSY, ANY TIME YOU WANT TO TRY AND BITCH SLAP SOME ONE YOU BETTER TRY AND BRING ASS TO GET ASS!
BECAUSE YOU WILL GET KNOCK ON YOUR ASS!
WHAT STATEMENT? SHOW THE URL TO THE POST UN-DOCTORED POST!
WHAT PISSED YOU OFF IS WHERE YOU WERE CORRECTED ABOUT CH. BUTCHER BOY GOING TO A DRAW.
DATES? YOU HAVE LIED HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN DOGS. CLAIMING SINCE THE LATE 70'S! BULLSHIT!!!!

J.T. grow up with Ironman, known each other since they were kids, do you think J.T. was never around Ironman or the family when things went down?????
**What does that have to do with you making incorrect statements about history? I don’t care about the history of two people that I do not know personally. I don’t care about what they did or didn’t do. Why you are sharing that they were together during the family dog-fighting [] outings on this forum is beyond me.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT AS FAR AS THE TRUTH BEING TOLD AS YOU FAILED TO DO ABOUT THE BREEDER OF MAUD AND BUTCHER BOY.
COURTS KNOW ABOUT IT...DID YOU FORGET THE JIM KELLEY CASE?
BTW AHHH TRYING TO DRY SNITCH A STATEMENT AGAIN MIKE PAGE?
"WHEN THINGS WENT DOWN" IS NOW REFERENCE TO DOG FIGHTING?

DO YOU REALLY THINK J.T. WAS GOING TO TELL YOU ANYTHING?
**I had no expectations about that phone call. I was given the green light to call him, so I did. You gave his name. You gave his occupation. You gave the city that he worked it. Joe shared information that you wish he would not have, so you are turning your attention on me after the fact. Look, he felt comfortable sharing what he told me.
Just stand behind what you did.

THE GREEN LIGHT WAS ABOUT EVER OWNING A PUP OFF THE LITTER, THAT'S IT. ANOTHER REGRET.
AND YOU THINK YOU WILL GET ANY MORE INFORMATION OR HISTORY?
ACCORDING TO J.T. AND HIS EMAIL HE NEVER TOLD YOU ANYTHING.
THERE IT IS. YOU GOT PROVED A LIAR.
THIS IS WHY THIS TIME, ANY AND ALL INFORMATION IS REALLY GOING TO COST YOU.
TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT TO FIND OLD INFORMATION AND WHAT DO YOU DO? ALMOST COAT SOMEONE THEIR JOB.
WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE WOULD DO THAT?
WHAT KIND OF FOOL DO YOU THINK I.M. IS TO EVER HELP YOU AGAIN.
YOU HAVE ABOUT MUCH CLASS AS A TURD IN A BREAKFAST BOWL!

A PERSON JUST CALLS UP HIS WORK PLACE AND ASK IF HE EVER FOUGHT A DOG WHILE LIVING IN A STATE WHICH HAS BEEN FELONY SINCE 1977?
Did you think J.T. was that stupid? J.T. is an ex Avenger and Ironman was an ex Nomad for the Avengers. Both had rode as friends with the 81.
**I don’t know what that means except that once again, you are sharing the personal history between Joe and Dan. I gather that they are both Harley enthusiasts? I don’t know why you are so compelled to publically post things about their personal lives? Joe volunteered the [] info (or lack of).

IT IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, THEY RODE IN PUBLIC TOGETHER. THEIR ON THE INTERNET TOGETHER.
THE POINT IS STUPID, THEY KNOW BETTER THEN TO ADMIT TO A FELONY ON A PHONE WITH SOME ONE THEY DON'T KNOW. I'M PERSONALLY GLAD YOU BELIEVE IT SO NOW YOU CAN SPREAD IT ALL OVER THE INTERNET GOSSIPING OF THE SO CALLED INSIDE INFORMATION YOU HAVE. WHEN IN TRUTH, J.T. NEVER MADE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS OF ANY KIND OR REFERENCE TO IT.

There is no truth in your post.
**I only post the truth, as I know it. In this case, as it was told to me by Joe, the owner of the dog.

AS UKC TOLD YOU WHO THE OWNER WAS? AS WHO THE BREEDER OF MAUD WAS?
AS FOR THE RECORD OF BUTCHER BOY?
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THESE DOGS IF ONE CAME UP AND PISSED ON YOUR LEG!

you are a parrot at best and often you given the wrong information.
**You are the only one who has a history of consistently giving wrong information.

BTW WHERE IS THE URL IS AGAIN OF THIS SO CALLED STATEMENT?

People send you stuff and like a fool you post it as factual.
**I only posted factual and verifiable documents that I find through research.
LIKE THE COLORS OF WILDER DOGS AND HEMPHILL DOGS?
I GUESS I.M. PROVE YOU WRONG ON THAT ONE DIDN'T HE?
WOULD LIKE TO READ THEM AGAIN?

Now for the statement of I.M. claiming all Ch. Butcher Boy's matches were in 1960 or 60's?,
I believe it was in reference to dogs he produced and his most famous grand daughter was born in 1966.
**No, I re-read your post. You specifically were speaking about Clouse’s Ch. Butcher Boy and you got it wrong. I posted articles directly from Bert Clouse himself, which proved you wrong and you started sucking your thumb.

I GUESS I MISSED IT. SHOWS HOW UN IMPORTANT IT WAS.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE MAGAZINES REPORTING MATCHES IN THE 50's.
SO I GUESS WE CAN READ THEM ALL THERE?
I GUESS BERT'S MEMORY WAS AS GOOD AS EVERYONE ELSE WAS ABOUT THE COLOR OF HEMPHILL AND WILDER DOGS?

If you ever read Bloodlines Journal you will read in 1968 his neighbor owned her. For some one knowing when grand daughters were born and owning a son from her, he had years ago with the information on his website, why the possible mistake? You don't know because you were never around at those times.
**I guess being a neighbor to a person who owned a granddaughter or daughter to a dog obviously didn’t help you to accurately recall the date range of Butcher Boy’s matches. You make incorrect statements concerning historical information. So your point was?

BUT THE FACT IS, MITZIE WAS NEAR BY AND ANYONE WHO WANTED TO KNOW THE DATES OF THE MATCHES COULD READ THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE REPORTED AS WAS THE DRAW!!!!
NOW WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT DATES?
I'M ONE WHO CARES MORE ABOUT THE EVENTS.
WHICH YOU CAN'T EVER CLAIM TO KNOW..

BTW if you read Bloodlines you would also know that was the same year Irish Jerry first got into dogs! Now you want dates, there is some for you. Here is some information for you.
**and this corrects your incorrect statements about Butcher Boy’s match record?
Nice deflection but it doesn’t change that you were wrong or that you still haven’t provided documents to disprove Bert Clouse’s article. Until you do, I am correct. Er, Bert’s Correct.

IT SHOWS, UN-LIKE YOURSELF YOU WEREN'T AROUND THOSE TIMES.
YOU ALSO DON'T KNOW WHEN HISTORY IS BEING TRIED TO BE CHANGED.
NO, WHAT THIS SHOWS YOU ARE UNABLE TO TELL THE COMPLETE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU EITHER DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION OR JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT HIS RECORD.
AS WAS SAID BEFORE, IF YOU WEREN'T BEING SUCH AN ASSHOLE I WOULD HAVE POSTED THE INFORMATION.
YOU ARE THE HISTORY BUFF, NOW FIND YOURSELF! IF NOT, YOU MIGHT SOMEDAY READ IT IN A BOOK....

But will you get the information of where and when Ch. Butcher Boy went to a draw? NADA.
**I already have the correct information. I willfully and freely posted it. You were incorrect about your facts, you were called on it and instead of being forthright, you are doing your pathetic dance around tactic.

NO WHAT IS PATHETIC IS YOU ARE SO LAME YOU ARE UNABLE TO FIND THE REPORTED INFORMATION.
YOU MET BERT ONCE AT A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT AND NOW YOU THINK EVERYTHING HE WROTE AND SPOKE WAS THE TRUTH.
UN-LIKE YOURSELF, THERE ARE STILL MANY AROUND WHO KNEW HIM MUCH BETTER.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE BERT NEVER TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT A DOG, THEN WHO IS THE FOOL?

But I will give you a little more information
read what Howard said about Bert in 1960 Your Friend and Mine about Baldly and rest of Bert dogs. LMAO! Bert never said a word in return...
**I’m glad you mentioned Howard Heinzl’s article about Bert Clouse and Baldy, as what Howard wrote was largely a huge compliment to Bert Clouse. Due to your weak level of understanding, you have poor reading comprehension and failed to understand Howard’s point. Howard’s article was an attempt to show how even though the emphasis at the time was on using a top dog in the pit, that conditioning and handling were just as important in the winning equation. Howard felt that people were beginning to forget this

YOUR LOW LEVEL OF COMPREHENSION FAILED YOU TO UNDERSTAND WAS, THAT THE EVEN LOW QUALITY OF DOGS LIKE BERT'S COULD WIN OVER THE COMPETITION HE WAS GOING INTO.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF CONDITIONING AND HANDLING TO WIN.

Clouse’s Baldy was not from the foundation Clouse bloodline. Clouse obtained Baldy from Howard Heinzl (which is likely why Howard used Baldy and Clouse to back up his point).
Baldy was a sister to Heinzl’s Bambi, who was the mother to Tudor’s Dibo.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=80427
Per Howard Heinzl, Baldy was not an exceptional pit dog but under Mr. Clouse’s ownership, he was developed into a champion pit dog, winning best of show honors in a convention.

THERE IS THE POINT, BAMBI WOULD CUR SCREAM WHEN BUMPED AND HOWARD GOT RID OF THE DOG BECAUSE OF HIS POOR QUALITY AND CLOUSE WOULD FEED DOGS OF THIS LEVEL!

In fact, when Howard heard that Bert Clouse won best in show with Howard’s Baldy dog at a convention, he said he would have lost money, meaning that he would have bet against Baldy. That’s how good Clouse was at developing a dog. This supports Howard’s point that if you have the skill to develop, condition and handle a dog, you can take an example not thought of as being a worthwhile prospect and turn it into something special. As I stated earlier, Baldy was not from the foundation Clouse strain but it was common for Bert to condition and handle dogs that were not from his bloodline, as he was sought after and held in high regard as a conditioner, handler and referee.


NO, THE ARTICLE WAS CLEAR WHAT HOWARD WAS SAYING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF THE QUALITY OF THE DOGS CLOUSE WENT INTO.
HOW LOW THE QUALITY WAS THAT A DOG LIKE BALDY COULD WIN BIS WHEN HE HAD MUCH BETTER DOGS ON HIS YARD.

Per Tudor’s words, Clouse would match into better dogs than what he had and still manage to win. This is from Howard’s article you referenced.

TUDOR WASN'T IN THE ARTICLE. HE DIDN'T WRITE A WORD TO THE MAGAZINE ABOUT THE DOGS OF BERT'S.

This all reminds me of a more current situation when a heavy Clouse dog named Rascal was once under the control of a local sportsman. This sportsman was ready to put Rascal down, as he did not like his style or mannerisms. The dog was then placed with another person, who developed him a little differently, based on his level of understanding. Rascal went on to make two different dogs quit. Both of those dogs that quit were two-time winners. This was the same dog that was almost put down so you see, history is a good teacher if it is reported accurately. So get it straight. The reverse is also true in that no matter who you are or what you’ve achieved, there will be instances where you can’t win them all.

EXPERINCE IS BETTER TEACHER. ALWAYS CHECK YOUR REFERENCES AND DON'T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ BUT WHAT YOU PERSONALLY EXPERINCED.
THIS JUST MORE RAMBLING OF YOURS TO TRY IMPRESS PEOPLE OF KNOWLEDGE WHICH YOU NEVER FIRST HAND EXPERINCE AT AND JUST SOMETHING YOU READ SOMEWHERE OF WHICH MADE YOU FEEL GOOD.

When I began to seek information about Bert Clouse, I had the honor of visiting with Mr. Heinzl for quite a while at his house and learned that he had a great deal of respect for Mr. Clouse. He considered Bert Clouse as one of the great men in the history of the game. I learned other things that day for which I remain very grateful.

MIKE, DO YOUR REALLY THINK I NEVER TALKED TO HOWARD?
DAMN NEAR EVERYONE DID.
I REMEMBER HOW HE TALKED ABOUT BERT & HIS DOGS AND HOW HE TALKED ABOUT RALPH. HE DIDN'T TALK HIGHLY OF NEITHER.
I ALSO REMEMBER HOW JOE CORVINO JR. TOLD ME HOW HOWARD STOLE CORVINO'S BLACKIE FROM HIM WHEN HE WAS A KID WALKING THE DOG AND GAVE THE DOG TO EARL WHEN HE MOVED FROM CHICAGO TO AZ.


Like I said before, there is no magic in winning. If your deck is stacked too far against your, there’s not a whole lot you can do, no matter your credentials and accomplishemnts. For example, before Bullyson quit to his son Benny Bob, a few veterans detected that Bullyson probably could not take what he dished out. Bud Moore then set up a match to use his Clouse bred dog against Bullyson. I think the objective here was to lean on the gameness that Clouse dogs were known for in order to weather the storm and then put the quit on Bullyson. Well, it didn’t quite work out that way. Moore’s dog was four years old and rolled only once prior to the match. Stupid. Moore’s dog was not in condition and four pounds over his own pit weight. Stupid. Per Don’s report, Bullyson was four pounds heavier than Moore’s dog (another report has Bullyson 2.75 lbs heavier). If both dogs were in shape, Don’s report has Bullyson with an 8 pound natural size advantage, while the other report would have him 6.75 lbs over. Bert Clouse neither arranged this match nor did he condition Moore’s dog. Bert however was asked to handle the dog from his breeding, so he did but in this instance there was nothing he could really do. Moore’s dog was too small and not in shape. Bullyson had his way and per the Pit Dog Report, Clouse conceded the match in 20 (the other report show’s 10). It was said that Bullyson was eating Moore’s dogs alive! In an interview with Bobby Hall, when asked if he could give an example of a game dog, Mr. Hall replied, “Yes, I sure can”, “The dog that lost to BULLYSON, the one that Bert Clouse had, that was the best example that I’ve ever seen of it. He showed something like 300 people what a Game dog looks like, he lost the fight, but the crowd gave him a standing ovation. This happened almost 20 years ago (at the time of the interview), but it is rare that you see a dog like that.”

Again, the purpose of this was to clarify what Heinzl was saying (with his own words) because you just can’t get your facts straight!

HOW WOULD KNOW WHEN THE DECK IS STACK AGAINST YOU?
YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING OR WAS AT ANY OF THESE THINGS YOU WRITE ABOUT.
EVERYONE IN TX. KNEW THE MATCH WITH WEAVER WAS A SETUP.
THE MATCH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, ONCE AGAIN OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD WAS MADE AT 52 LBS.
THEY SHOWED UP LIGHT.
I GUESS MOORE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE THOUGHT HE DID ABOUT BULLYSON.
I BELIEVE BULLYSON WAS OVER 4 LBS HIS WEIGHT OF 48...
YES, DON THOUGHT MOORE'S DOG SHOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH LOWER IN WEIGHT THEN 48.
WELL AS MAURICE TOLD IT, IT WAS CLOUSE WHO MADE THE MATCH AND CONDITIONED THE DOG.
WHETHER IT WAS 10 MINUTES OR 20 MINUTES DOESN'T PROVE A DOG IS DEEP GAME IN THAT LITTLE OF A TIME.
IF ANYONE THINKS SO THEN THEY BETTER LEARN WHAT A PIT DOG IS BECAUSE IF THAT 20 MINUTE WONDER WAS THAT GAME, IT SHOWED HOW TRULY KILLING OF A BOUDREAUX DOG BULLYSON WAS!
THEN AGAIN I HEARD BOBBY STATE THE DOG CLOUSE USED WAS NO MORE THEN A ROLL DOG THAT SHOULD NEVER BEEN MATCHED.

NOW HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT HOWARD MEANT?
SEE THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR WRITINGS MIKE, YOU DON'T KNOW DICK OR KNOW WHAT WENT ON DURING THOSE YEARS WHEN WE LIVED IN TX.
STOP, YOU ONLY MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF.

 

Mike Page,
here is a better offer, the same which is the same one given to Quincy.

Put up 5k and I will show up to any creditable DNA place and I will bring a dog which will match DNA any pup produced by Danger and Scarlet!
If it doesn't match I cap it right then and there!
If I don't you have permission!

Now put up or shut the f@ck up.
Why I make this offer is because this is only way I will make any money off your coward dogman hating ass.
BTW don't forget to get a bank loan because we already know you can't afford $1,500!
What are you going to do now that your wife kicked your alleged child molesting ass to the curb?

Come on Page, lets find out the truth. You are truth seeker aren't you?
It is okay to let us know.
Was the girl a lair too?
Or did you really do it?

Sick mouthfacka
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well the truth hurts , and you still only talk about don riping of some folks for their pit dog report subs and the mann act , sorry but this is a gamedog forum , so remember that , and also im asking don to mexico to match a dog , when don hadnt matched since 1980, i mean that really was going to happen , it always seems like the im cartel offer chances to prove truth that make it hard on the offered to meet. Mm i wonder why, keep on biking must be hard being a tough biker gang guy , so scary , grow up .

 

well yet again you focus on a persons personal problems , although i dont like child molesters , so if hes done it i hope they send him away for a long time , but lets focus on your offer to mr mallard .you again always make offers to prove something with a price attached , which if i was so sure i would not want to make it hard for someone to meet my offer of truth proving , and you yourself in this and previous posts to mallard ,have said he cant afford $1500 ,so if you know that why offer to dna prove your danger dogs for $5000 , when you know mallard cant come up with the money? Like i said make him an offer at 0 cost then if he dont step up to meet the dna test , well im on your side , makes sense to me , or are you making it hard knowing that at $5000 your secret is safe?

 

Yes, I do have the story and the report when Ch. Butcher Boy fought to a draw.
Will I give it up.
Not at this time because of the past how certain people have talk their BS.
I did tell Crazyhorse where to find the article.

I just post information of colors and dates.
I don't ever recall stating dates about Butcher Boy's shows.
Maybe I have.
I'm not that young anymore, as far as remembering things right off the top of my head.
I do recall, they only called him Butcher.
I have many pictures of Ch. Butcher Boy.
As for his record why haven't any of the show news been posted?
His shows were reported.

Now Gar, and the rest of the cowards who hide behind handles like Souldog, Mallard aka Herb, etc. or any of the rest.
I will make this very easy for you.
I will meet any of you half way, anywhere in the world to resolve any issues or problems you got with me or our dogs.

D.M. (Mike) Norrod
269-966-9636

 

MIKE , THE QUESTION WAS , WHY ARE YOU OR DAN MAKING IT HARD FOR MALLARD TO MEET YOUR TRUTH PROVING ? , LIKE I SAID IF I WAS SO SURE AS YOU AND DAN ARE I WOULD NOT PUT A PRICE ON IT, I DONT KNOW IF MALLARD IS RIGHT OR WRONG AS TO THE BREEDING OF CERTAIN DOGS WITHIN YOUR BLOODLINE, I, MYSELF HAVE NO INTEREST IN YOUR BLOOD , NOT BECASUE ITS NO GOOD , ITS AS GOOD AS ANY I AM SURE , BUT JUST ONCE IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SO CALLED SEASONED DOGMEN ACT LIKE MEN AND NO T CHILDREN , IF MALLARD IS WRONG GET TOGGETHER AND PROVE IT , REMEMEBER YEARS AGO WHEN STORYS OF THE TRUE BREEDINGS OF DOGS LIKE ELI AND BLIND BILLY AND MANY MORE DOGS COULD HAVE BEEN PROVED ONCE AND FOR ALL WITH DNA TESTING , WE WOULDNT HAVE ALL THE SPECULATION ABOUT HOW SOME FAMOUS DOGS ARE BRED , SO WHY DONT YOU AND MALLARD STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT ,AND THE TRUTH WILL BE KNOWN.
A for calling me a coward , well i always looked at guys who run in gangs LIKE THE BIKERS DAN LOVESAS JUST THAT COWARDS , ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE IN A GROUP TO ACT BIG AND TOUGH , I HAPPEN TO STAND ALONE AS A MAN BUT NOT IN LIFE , AND BY THE WAY WHAT A GREAT BENEFIT TO SOCIETY THOSE BIKER GANGS AND ALL THOSE SOCIALLY DELINQUENT TYPES ARE TO OUR WOIRLD , JUST WAITING FOR ONE OF THEM TO FIND THE CURE FOR CANCER , THEY REALLY ARE SO SOCIALLY BENEFICIAL .

 

I come from a family of bikers and in my city there drugs..murder and shit bags breaking in to your house and stealing your hard earned property but I live on a dead end street with 6 houses on it all owned by 1% and its the cleanest crime free area in the city. My point is don't believe everything u read the local boys keep our area clean and safe for my family to live. Now if your a shitbag and your living dirty you get what you had coming. You can't do dirt and cry when you get dirt. And I don't know u gar but im POSITIVE u would never talk like that to a club member....fact! Kind of easy hiding behide a handle. Put your name and # up there

 

A.d.i.o.s..........................

 

Hi eddeem , your right theres many shitbags and wrong doers out there ,and im sure bikers get a bad wrap , but guys in biker gangs or chapters , are more often than not involved in a world of not very nice things , theres a difference between people that like bikes and go out on weekends for a ride , and the type of long haired harley riding types with there gang chapter on their backs , and you know it .Most are weak minded sheep who need a master , thats what all gangs are full of , whether your in a biker gang or other type of gang.YOUR LAST STATEMENT TO ME ABOUT ,HOW I WOULD SAY THAT TO THE FACE OF A MEMBER OF A CHAPTER , JUST MAKES MY POINT FOR ME , YOU ALL THINK ABOUT INTIMIDATION , AND VIOLENCE, BUT BELIEVE THIS ID LOVE TO SEE ONE OF THOSE FAT MOTHERFUCKERS LAST WITH A REAL FIGHTING MAN , THERE A JOKE , OLD MIDDLE AGED MEN RIDING AROUND THINKING THERE ALL THAT , AND OH BY THE WAY YOU SEEN THE KIND OF SKANK SLUT WOMEN FOLOWW THOSE GANG GUYTS , YEAH ID REALLY LIKE ONE OF THEM AS MY DAD AND MY MOM .

 

www.freewebs.com/clousedogs?? this link doesnt work does any of the members have what was on the link?

 

Gar the truth is how the papers say they are. Until someone can prove differently then they need to shut up or put up.
All dogs were fine and no problem when Mike Page what to buy the dogs but once the sale got turned down and sold to some one else this cry baby shit started.
All he can come up with is a question of color and marking but under history I.M. gave the truth about the color and markings of that bloodline.

The price is to finally get into this know-it-alls pocket because has question the quality of those dogs in the past and when the offered was made to prove them, he tucked tail and hides behind this kind of BS calling I.M. a lair but after I.M. and the rest has also brought up when Page has laid, no one questions his honesty and credibility. The integrity of the person posting has to be talked about and this is why he has none when his own wife can't trust him!

I have seen time and time again many of us has address the issues. Time and time again he acts like the immature child who has to keep it going.
He can't afford the dogs then don't bash on them, walk away. It doesn't concern him. He never owned any of the blood as he has claim in email.
Remember this Gar, they have no proof or willing to pay to find the truth but they want the expense added time and time again to our cost to prove to whom? a no body. A person not of interest to any of us.
A person of questionable charter. If he wants to know anything then he should pay to find out. Let it cost him because is the one trying to insinuate something.
Remember our response has been to his attacks.
If can't take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen!
You ask why not get together and find out? How can you when you are the only wanting too. Make it happen, because none of us can.....

You are more then welcome to tell Dan in person he is a coward. He will be in NY. with Billy Ferraro, Geraldine's brother, in July about Ironworkers MC club matters.
The Ironworkers are wanting him to take over as National President of the Nomads.
The point is, as eddieem pointed out, you should know the history of a person before you talk shit about him. If he is a 1%er and has rode as one, I advise it better to stay clear and keep your mouth shut to them because aren't the type to bitch squabble.
BTW the Ironworkers MC is a support club.
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nice post , and for once you nearly got to the end of a post without trying to use intimidation ,as your main post was clear and without insults , and i kind of agree with what your saying , if mallard doesnt meet to find out whats the truth , then its hard , but that doesnt mean hes lying , i think it would be nice to put this to bed with an ending we could all understand.as for dan , well you need to read my posts , i said that i think all those biker hells angel type idiots are cowards deep down ,as are most all gangs member types , they need to feel involved in something ,and on there own are usually far less brave , but i said usually , my point is how sad to see generally men who are old enough and should know better , that is if they have a brian thats not fucked up from years of drinking and drugs , that they look silly and pathetic riding around, on thier choppers trying to look hard and tough , and the fasct is most all people see them the same , as either criminal types , or sad losers who need a crutch to lean on and cant cope with being normal , they think they are more attractive as an outcast , how sad , but maybe the nomads are a peace loving non violent criminal type biker gang ? But from the way the intimidation keeps coming from you , i doubt church is on the nomads scheduele , but anyway little things keep little minds happy .

 

gar, I would advise you stop running your man-pleaser about things you, obviously, have no experience with. In one breath you wanna talk all types of shit, and then ramble on about being civil. Some checks are harder to cash than others.

 

well son why dont you educate me as to what im runing my mouth abour , if you guys dont like having stand up to your intimidstion thats just to bad , just remember this , in none of my post do i try to use the fact that im a member of a gang , or that im some kind of bad ass like others here , to stop people telling there side of a story , and as far as i know unless america has become a communist state , freedom of speach is allowed , and i happen to think , along with most people that old men riding around on thier choppers is a joke , and need to be content with thier life insted of trying to live some movie easy rider fantasy , that son is my advise to you dig it.

 

Well, dad, I could give a flying dog fart what you think about whoevers dogs pedigrees. What I do take issue with is your blubbering on about bikers being sad/loser/cowards and then shedding tears about being intimidated. You might wanna choose your words more carefully. If you're catching feelings over a message board, I imagine you'd be pissing your pants face to face with one of these "weak, pathetic, old, tough guys".

 

Gar. I was gonna post pics of the face of todays 1% but by reading your post its clear you no nothing about what your running your mouth about. If u did u would know bikers come in all shapes and sizes. I know old ones and young ones who are in shape..don't do drugs and work regular jobs. As for the woman...lol...you obviously never been to daytona bike week on laconia! More hot woman then hugh heffners. Your a joke...you sound like a news reporter "fat middle aged bikers riding there choppers"
Funny how you have a problem with bikers but you worship a skinner with all your truth seeking bullshit