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Discussion in 'APBT History' started by kiwidogman, Sep 29, 2018.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yes. One of my favorites.

    I think she is the second greatest match dog of all time behind the Great Molly Bee. And it is pretty much splitting frog hairs three ways in separating the two.

    It basically boils down to Molly Bee pretty much did the same thing but she did it 8 times and none of the 8 ever scratched back. (Plus I cut my teeth on these dogs way back when, LOL)

    Some say Shady Lady's mouth was actually average or maybe above average. But her grip and shakes were so violent and so hard bones broke. They broke not from pressure but from the violent, repeated changes in direction.

    Shady Lady gains ground as she was bred and her breedings were documented as hers. Molly Bee was stolen and she only had a limited few to move forward but there were a lot of possibilities. And with that said the production percentage was much lower for Molly Bee than Shady Lady.

    But I don't know that to be really true. But in the history of these dogs I can't think of any with a more impressive resume than these two females.

    S
     
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  2. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    I've seen a Bad Rosemary go and she was like a piranha, didn't look to have the best of ability but that mouth could do serious damage.
     
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  3. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    CH SCOOTER'S ROY JONES JR. (4XW-1XGL)
    CHAINWEIGHT: 38
    CONDITIONED WEIGHT: 36
    RIP..an ace who lost game to grch lilson going for his Grand Championship
    Photo Courtesy of D.Willams

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  4. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Champion Rascal was born in 1972 on the yard of Maurice Carver and was later owned by James Crenshaw. Rascal won 5 contracted matches, 6 off the chain and suffered just 1 lost, and that was his first. His first match was at 52lbs. against C. Sykes' Sampson, and took the count a 1:52. At this same match Ch. Honeybunch won her second match in :28. In 1974 Rascal met Wood's Snooty, again at 52lbs. and this close match ended in 1:57. For his third match and second win, he defeated Irish Jerry's Soldier in 1:30. For his championship, he won over Baxter's Booger in 1:16 at 48lbs., which turned out to be his ideal weight. He then had wins over Hughes' & Hick's Big Boy in 1:45 and Langston's Satan in 1:19.
    Champion Rascal wasn't noted for possessing a devastating mouth, as some would have had many believe, but he was a very game dog as all of his matches went over the hour mark. he fought any style, but preferred to work the head. Not many dogs could put Rascal behind. Even in his loss to Sampson, Sampson died within an half an hour after the match.
    His ability to produce is evident in the likes of Gr. Ch. Pedro, Ch. Rascal, Jr., Demon, Sugar, Bandit, Polly, and Krypto just to name a few of his offspring.
    Rascal died at the age of 11 in 1983, but will be remembered as one of the best.

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  6. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Crenshaw didn't give up on the dog after quitting, many others hadn't, it was rewarded by Rascal that's one thing for sure.
     
  7. BronerFan

    BronerFan Big Dog

    Good to see you back F.W.K.
     
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  8. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I breed for finishers. The opponent can cry, piss, and sh*t in the in the ring, but a finisher will scratch into a dead dog.

    Grand Champion MOLLY BEE

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  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    GTO'S (Garner's) Grand Champion Ceasar
    I had to reply to these clowns flip side. Who the he'll are y'all? You trying to bash a dog that will run threw your yard like parvo.
    You took trips to my hide out to rub shoulders with a guy that I hung with on a hourly basis. You seen us working hounds and doing right by them. You guys aren't even from the states so how do you know what goes on in the back woods of the Carolinas? You guys are wanna Bees.
    You need to shut the $$$$ up. Stay in your lane mutts.

    Now for gr ch ceasar. He was done in the back woods of the Carolinas for little paper but the comp was stiff. If you know how the back woods of the Carolinas work then you know there's alot of good dogs back there but little money.

    We paid 8k for the dog and we where promised nothing lived past 32 mins with this dog. He had little scars on him. He had marks on the head and one or two on shoulders. But you could tell he was a active Hunter.

    I hooked up with the old man who owned Bo (aka ceasar) and he gave me the names times and locations of the hunts. I talked to the backers and conditioner of ceasar (bla Bo) all parties involved was mad that the old man sold the dog to a well known breeder. They wanted to continue his hunts but the old man cashed out. Just like they did before with garners rhino and garners Lexus. (So if you know the owners of those two garner dogs that's the same circle of guys who owned gr ch Bo (aka ceasar)
    J from the Carolinas bought ceasar and his brother from MWK and then J sold ceasar to old man Sb for 600 dollars and Lexus 2. J gave joslins Mussolini to Sb for free because he was a man eater.

    He didn't know the age of ceasar so he rolled him. Ceasar killed in a early fashion.
    So they hooked ceasar not knowing the dog was only 16 months. The comp was a palidan x redboy jocko dog coming from winning nc. Caesar went into a 1xw who previously beat Sb. Sb used a gamblers Virgil x fatbill two eyes. Caesar got in the shoulder and killed him with one bite.
    After that show J went to jail and Sb got Lexus 2 back and bred ceasar to her and it produced ch Bo Jr. (Aka garners momo)

    #2 the Indian from south Carolina. He came to ceasar back yard with a pure redboy jocko male at 48. The dog came out and got to his head and ceasar made a smart move by sitting down and shooting from the bottom to get deep in the chest. Once ceasar gets a good hold its check mate. Game over.

    #3 the indain called for round two. They traveled to the indain and ceasar did the same thing. He destroyed the hound making the Indians son cry tears. Lol. Caesar ended the whole yard with that win. Alot of emotion was a the box. The indain was screaming this dog ended his bloodline. Caesar beat the dog the guy based his program off of. He pulled a gun and ran people off. Lol

    #4 Tyrone from winbo nc. Palidan x chinaman. He came out and got a good start hitting ceasar with a good shoulder hold making ceasar whimper. The shit went back and forth until ceasar got high in the shoulder. Caesar start punching holes the size of half dollars in the chest then finishing strong in the throat. Doa Tyrone.
    After number 4 he was sold behind the camps back for a family vacation to Florida and a no lo puppy.

    Caesar came up top into a circle of guys who had no respect for chinaman dogs. The original owner of drangon fire ch bronze had a forfeit paid at 48. The comp didn't show so people started talking about the dog who came up from the Carolinas. Next thing you know ceasar was the replacement. Not conditioned or nothing.
    Caesar went into a pure redboy dog coming threw deacon. Str8 blow out. Caesar never got touched and knocked him off in the box. 32 mins. Caesar never got touched. We didn't count that one because ceasar was otc.

    The camp called us out again at 50 with a touch of our blood on bottom. Stretched out kennels called us out we wanted hobo but we didn't get the respect from the locals yet so we had in-house cleaning to do.

    #5. Stretched out Clifford. No Frisco dog could beat a redboy jocko May day dog was the chant for 8 weeks. They met at 50 and str8 blow out. Caesar touched his back once and bit so hard from the bottom the other dog started howling. Caesar slammed him in the corner and at 25 mins Clifford was purple and the other side begging for a pick up. I refused and sent ceasar in deeper. The corner of Clifford jump in the box and said where the fuck did you get that dog from. We picked ceasar up and the Clifford camp was standing over a hurt Clifford shaking there head not knowing what just happened.

    Hobo loses to vengeance. No hobo vs ceasar. But we end up going into we the hobo camp with a dog fsk bred and knocking them off in 18 minutes. Fsk received bis.

    #6. All the rumors and slander start when this show end. Chico Lopez (CL) The Chosen Few had sent a dog up our way off ch big John. We tried to avoid These cats but the where screaming fake gr ch.
    We was a 48/49 the had a 46 who stopped a dog I bred named Michael Jackson. (Skull redboy jeep) then he beat a guy who runs alot of Whitley blood.
    The date was set real deal did the keep because tfc-pa called his 4xw Chico Lopez The Chosen Few out that was over the hump. Real deal did a great job and had ceasar so strong to be at the lightest weight ever at 46.

    To make a long story short that was the easiest job for ceasar. Big John Jr. Was crying kissing shitting from shoulder bits from Cesar. We had a great time watch CL shit get exposed. What a waiste of dog food. That's why you hear groupies like flipside slandering a dog of this caliber. Fuck off haters you wanted names you got them.
    RS wanted to borrow the dog but we wanted to show down there. He wanted to breed and tried to convince us that traveling all those miles would be a disadvantage. We just want to show the dog. So now he hates just for puppy sales. Caesar out produced ever stud dog he has .
    So next time you hear ceasar is fake make sure you tell them the truth.

    9 wins against CL dogs. 0 losses. That's why CL hates ceasar. He's faking wins. Look around macho prime and others. RS ended up with him and wants us to sink in the same ship as him. Lol fuck you haters. Scratch back wanted a interview but fuck off too. Chico Lopez is a known rat to paid the price in the Bronx for it. He got his dog back after a bust. RS emailed the cops trying to get a legends ranch raided. And street guys warned us scratch Back been working for the other side. End of story.

    Vinnie Romeo with Gr.Ch. CEASAR

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=407270

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  10. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

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  11. tomjones2

    tomjones2 Big Dog

    Thanks for the lesson! Much appreciated.
     
  12. BronerFan

    BronerFan Big Dog

    Definitely enjoyed the read..
     
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  13. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog



    Now I've been around scratch back more than once.... spoken to ppl all over this country, some popped with him, others who did not snitch and have gotten treated with the utmost love by scratch back, literally no one has ever said he was a snitch. Exactly the oposite really.....

    Anyway just figured id toss that out there... seemed like hater bs
     
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  14. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lol i didn't write it.

    Just copied it from the guy who did.
     
  15. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I wonder if he is referring to flipside from here.
     
  16. can u imagine proper weight proper condition
    u would show her once and probably like we did in the pass change the weight a bit and travel
     
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  17. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    I know just wanted to point that out. I mean ive heard every from Shane Kirby to tom garner and back being called a snitch but never scratch back. I got a dog from a dude who fought a case with scratch back. They both swear neither snitched and was willimg to show paperwork on who did.
     
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  18. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    Abilizin didn't deserve the dog by all accounts, matching her when pregnant is inexcusable IMO. That's of course if it's true, her mouth was like a chainsaw though no doubt.
     
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  19. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

  20. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

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