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Raw diet

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by CopperOFRN, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    I’ve fed my dogs a raw diet on and off for years time permitting. I usually feed chicken gizzards/hearts ,venison, ground beef, bone in chicken thighs. Lately I’ve been seeing a few guys feeding turkey feet, and chicken feet. Are there any health advantages or is it just an accessibility thing? Just curious- maybe it’s some doggy super food I didn’t know about.
     
  2. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    they are rich in protein, glucosamine and chondroitin. Good for the joints of the dog, arthritis, etc.
     
  3. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    I do it for the collogen and calcium and it helps younger dogs to really crunch as well as slowing down the pace they eat at.
     
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  4. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Well, guess I’ll have to throw it in the mix.
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I use to have a hook up for the chicken feer some years ago. They were delivered in a 55 gallon barrel. A bunch of us split them between each other.

    I used it as an additive/supplement to the bag food at the time, or tossed them into the meat scrap bucket.

    No real balance, not even a rhyme or reason to the way I fed as I went 'cheap' and 'free' as much as I could. LOL

    S
     
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  6. phoenix walk

    phoenix walk Big Dog

    if you boil them with a few drops of organic apple cider vinegar till the bones break down. strain it keep the liquid. when it sets like jelly or jello in US that is pure glucosamine. freeze it in cubes. and feed as required.
     
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  7. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    Anyone ever have a problem with a dog not eating raw chicken. I got one that just looks at it like hes stupid.
     
  8. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    How old is the dog? If he/she wasn’t fed raw from a young age it may take a little mixology. I’ve had dogs introduced at 6 months and scoff at it. The younger the better
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Since I am an old guy now I can use this like ti was used on my many years ago.

    "What do you feed your dog?".

    I feed turnip greens.

    Mine won't eat turnip greens.

    Mine wouldn't either for about a week.

    Could not pass that up......

    Lots of times it is a sign the dog is being over fed and not everything is appealing.

    Introduction after skipping a meal.

    S
     
  10. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Touché
     
  11. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    Ive tried since a pup ive even had dogs i got that were older n wernt fed raw but would down it if offered n its just chicken he eats everything else
     
  12. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Slim is probably in the ball park then. Leave a kid at the table for a few hours and eventually they’ll eat their green beans. Just means you’re a good owner
     
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  13. Hello dog lovers, I'm giving you raw diet 2 recipes for dogs.

    1. Beef Recipe, Adult

    Ingredients
    • 10 lbs 85% lean ground beef
    • 1 lb beef heart
    • 1 lb beef liver
    • 2 lbs veggies, finely puréed
    • 1/3 lb freshly ground hempseed
    • 44 grams plant-based calcium carbonate (Animal Essentials
    • Seaweed Calcium)
    • 11 grams krill oil
    • 4 grams Thorvin Kelp (equivalent to 3mg Iodine)
    • 5 mg Manganese
    • 1200 IU Vitamin D
    • 200 IU Vitamin E
    2. Chicken Recipe, Adult

    Ingredients
    • 6.5 lbs chicken thigh meat (no bone, skin & separable fat
    • removed)
    • 1 lb chicken heart
    • 1 lb chicken liver
    • 1.75 lbs chicken necks, with skin & fat
    • 1.75 lbs chicken necks, with skin & fat removed
    • 2 lbs veggies, finely puréed
    • 1/4 lb freshly ground flaxseeds
    • 8 grams krill oil
    • 3 grams Thorvin Kelp (equivalent to 2.1mg Iodine)
    • 50 mg Zinc
    • 9 mg Copper
    • 5 mg Manganese
    • 1200 IU Vitamin D
    • 200 IU Vitamin E
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Looks good. I would leave the chicken skin and bone, especially the fat.

    The above is high in protein but light on animal fats. Nothing wrong with the diet but if the dog is put to work or puts in work he/she will burn the proteins for energy. Protein for energy is a hotter process (less energy for the same amount of heat) vs. animal fats (more micrograms of water per calorie burned = more energy per calorie burned). Gets all into the Krebs cycle and all that science stuff I am not smart enough to understand. LOL

    I have fed dogs as much as 40% of their meal as fat.

    Once a dog is acclimated to a high fat content diet (on average 8-10 weeks) it is a different dog. He works harder longer and his recovery times really start to improve. He is burning fat for energy and the protein in his diet is used for recovery.

    S
     
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  15. dao van linh

    dao van linh Brain Training For Dogs

    I have a lot of experience in and training it, how to make dog nutrition suitable and learn a lot about books, videos after many years I have experience in nutrition and dog training and I'm proud of it.....
     
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  16. Hazko

    Hazko Big Dog

    What’s your thoughts on vegetables? And on Grains?….recent studies have shown what separates wolves and dogs is dogs, some breeds more so than others, have developed the ability to process grains..amalyse (?) I think it’s called
    Do you feel this now means the modern dog NEEDS grains or it can be 100% healthy without despite this evolutionary trait ?


     
  17. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Folks pushing that hippie vegan bullshit. Show me a dog or wolves with flat teeth.
     
  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The teeth can be an indicator (LOL) but the dogs stomachs/intestines are not equipped for vegetables and grains. You can grind it up and mix it in but it is more of a pass thru.

    We have fed them vegetables and grains for a lot of years now. I doubt is long enough for them to 'evolve'.

    The kicker is these dogs will survive on just about anything then couple that with a really good dog and he will make an owner look really smart. If the owner is feeding 'corn flakes and cabbage' and the dog performs well, maybe even out performing his peers, you will be hard presses to convince the owner otherwise.

    Then the owner passes that trade secret down and that person's dog performs well from that point on it is 'corn flakes or cabbage' or bust.

    S
     
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  19. I started raw in the nineties there is a interesting discussion going on in regards to anti biotocs I am keeping a close eye
     
  20. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    The only “vegetables” a wolf would eat are the contents in the stomach of a kill, and that’s debatable. All dogs should be capable of 100% raw diet in my opinion.
     

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