lar-san

i know most people say that the lar-san bloodline is dead but there are some breeding being done that have the majority in the ped to be lar-san.i was just wondering what your guys opinions are on this bloodline.give all positive and negative opinions that you have.

 

I really like the line. I associate it with physically sound, versatile dogs with good temperaments. But I'm sure others (Like bahamutt ) could answer it better.

 

I might be wrong but isnt that Staffie blood?

 

It is Amstaff blood.....not SBT blood.

 

Thats what i meant

 

Gaff and Lar san is one of the better bloodlines you can get with that breed

 

I really don't consider Lar-San an American Staffordshire Terrier line. No, it's certainly not a line that produces fast-lane game dogs. But at the same time it's not a line associated with AKC show dogs (UKC/ADBA show dogs, perhaps. But the AKC stud book is closed).

I suppose some have taken the line in the wrong direction (Oversized behemoths), but overall most Lar-San dogs are still true-to-type American pit bull terriers.

UKC GR CH UWPCH ADBA GR CH Reloaded's Persephone of Matrix

 

I like Gaff dogs and am considering breeding my gamebred bitch to a male that has A LOT of Gaff. Show line/gameline.......it's a thought.

 

One really needs to think about what that breeding would bring to the table, and how it would improve on current stock. Of course, that should be considered with all breedings- not just extreme outcrosses.

 

I totally agree....I have and am currently giving it serious thought. What do I want to accomplish with it and what direction to go in with it. Thanks for the thought on that.

If you go to the Lar-San website you'll see they clearly breed for the UKC standard....not for game. Still, great dogs with a terrific breeding program for what they want to do.

 

Same thing...

 

I hate to keep bringing it up, but what would your goals for that particular breeding be? What are you trying to improve, and what do you hope to produce?

 

Everyone seems to want to breed short, stocky bullies to APBTs.. there's been 3 of those questions in this week...

 

Maybe it's a shot in the dark, but I think more of the gameblood needs to be represented in the UKC. I've spoken to several UKC judges and inspectors that feel the same way.

Marti, I think we were actually at a GA fun show event last year together.....I thought I recognized you but wasn't sure. Anyway, what about the breeding makes you think it won't work? Are you looking at it from a conformation standpoint or a temperament standpoint? I respect your opinion on this, that's why I'm asking.

I will say the Gotti line is light years away from what Lar-San and Gaff are producing and trying to accomplish. Gaff, Lar-San, and Edelhaus are some very respected lines in their own right.

Gotti is mixed with other breeds isn't it??

 

I agree with gamebred dogs being under- or maybe even un-represented in the UKC. It would be nice to see some more in there competing.

As far as Lar-San, the line is not dead, but the founder of the line (Sandy Comer) is. Myself, I like them. They are not gamebred, but they are still outstanding dogs. They're pretty correct, and versatile sport/working dogs. I know there are several Lar-San-bred dogs who are UKC Superdogs (titled in conformation, weight pull, obedience and agility). And the dog posted by GSD is the first dual UKC/ADBA Grand Champion, and bred along those lines. They are overall great dogs. Cons: There are a few health problems -- like day blindness -- but they're pretty healthy compared to other lines. Some conformational tics, like bad bites. Also, many of the Lar-San males I've seen are too big for my taste. Correct, but big.

ETA: There is AmStaff back there at the start of the line, but I've seem AmStaff in gamebred peds, too. The dogs themselves are not really AmStaffs. It is a rednose line, for one. I doubt there are any dual-registered Lar-San dogs at this point, either. Typically, those who call them AmStaffs are of the school of thought that if its not gamebred, its not an APBT. To each their own, but these dogs are no AmStaffs in my book.

ETA ETA: Jason, can you post a link? I'd be curious to see the breedings. There are only a few breeders I know of that are focusing on the Lar-San line.

 

baha i really cant.i dont want to ruin my chance into getting one of these apbt.just best to be kept on the down low but if you would love to show me some links, i would like to see them.i for one do like the lar-san bloodline and would like to learn more about it.

 

Well Lar-San dogs from my experince is more of the show line. I had a Lar-San dog at my house for a couple weeks. Some little guy named Trooper which was a gr ch in conformation. a delitful little guy very stable decent food drive and decent prey drive. That was my experince with the lar-san dog.

 

I have a 4yo female that is very tight on Lar-San and a Male with Lar-San in him as well. Both are showing very well in ADBA and my male will probably GrCH this year. There is some staff behind Oscar and some Archer dogs if you want to get technical, AKC wise. But at that point in time, the AKC had open stud books to APBTs which eventually establish the Amstaff for the AKC. Those dogs back there, were more than just showy AKC dogs, they were matched as well.

Like Baha said, there are also a few game lines with dogs that were registered in AKC as well. It is not a gamebred line of dogs, but do not think that they won't heat up on you, as they are known to be very hot at times. Most true Lar-San fanciers will tell you that the pure Lar-San dogs are dead. Yes, there are folks who still have that blood in their program but Roki Reds has the tightest Lar-San stuff out there. I really wouldn't consider them on the same level as Gaff dogs, thats an insult, Gaff dogs are disgusting, IMO LOL. If you want to get into conformation shows and WP, they are a good line of dogs to have. I like them because they have attitude and can be shown and weight pull in ADBA and UKC, not that many lines will offer that.

The problems that they have are certain dogs in a few peds, were and are carriers of Dayblindness, just like Baha said, lol.

 

are you aware that the lar-san line are primarily red noses?

 

n-e-one like old colby blood?