BEWARE of the ADBA !!!!!

oldog: Just b/c you knew them before they were born means nothing. People knew Hitler before I was born too, but does that make him a great guy? No.

The ADBA did not knowingly falsify the papers. They DID however, not investigate the issue when called upon to do so & now they have even gone so far as to allegedly refuse the man's phone calls to straighten this out, which IMO makes them just as guilty as the thief.

GaPits: The ADBA can be as "sheisty" as any other club (need I say Whopper?) lol.

Either way, I just hope justice wins the day.

 

look ABK... i knew the greenwoods then and i know the greenwoods now and perhaps if they had an unlimited bank account they could investigate every piece of paper that comes to their desk so maybe they made a mistake. i have offered to help get a solution to the problem.... have you? you must not know the greenwoods, and you probably dont know tl williams (aadr) or mims either.... but again, they wouldn't knowingly falsify either and stuff just happens.

i dont know what your off the wall reference to hitler means or what relevence that monster has to this situation...

yup, the whopper trash got registered... thats too bad... once again, mistakes are made even by good people. my solution to that is to not have any of that blood and if you have some of it in your pedigrees, i'm sorry to hear it.

 

The ADBA is in no way responsible for people falsifying paperwork and I am sure that if handled in a reasonable way this whole problem could be resolved.
You can talk all you want about Whopper dogs but unfortunate things do sometimes happen. It has happened with other registrys and I am sure it will again in the future do to unscrupulous people.
Now Oldog has offered help and I would also be glad to contact them on the op's behalf to if he would like, they are really easy to deal with, so I would suggest to the op if he needs assistance to take it when it is offered.

 

I have always put trust in the adba because of their history plus their exclusive support of the apbt. I learned my lesson about leaving a stud with someone. I left one of my stud dogs with a guy who lived a few hundred miles from me. He said a breeding did not take and I brought my dog to him locally and was to pick him up the next day. I got him back without any problems the next day but our agreement was to only breed him to two bitches. He bred him to just about every bitch in his yard( he has 98 dogs total), ran my stud ragged, then claimed no breeding took. Three months later I saw tons of ads in the paper for pups of my stud and he hung papers saying they were off another stud in his yard. Nothing I could do about it but I learned my lesson. I will never leave one of my studs with someone. All bitches come to my yard or semen is shipped. I really hope you get your dog back. If you know where the guy lives, I would go get him myself. After all, he stole your dog. I have ZERO tolerence for dog theves or someone who hanges papers. Best of luck to you!!!

 

oldog: I do not care if you have the Greenwoods over to dinner every night & had sleep-overs w/ them when you were kids. The fact is they were directly asked by the owner of the dog to investigate & did not, nor are they even attempting to rectify it. To me, that is WRONG.

Don't try to feed me the "they don't have the money" crap. The ADBA is a multi-million dollar organzation. They could have both investigated & rectified this situation had they wanted. They just don't want to.

I am glad you offered a solution. Hopefully the Greenwoods will listen to a close personal friend such as yourself, since they have obviously written the OP off.

And you are correct, I do not know the Greenwoods personally. But I know of some of the shady things they have done. And no, I do not know TL or Mims personally either, but I do business w/ all three registries & to be honest, I do not think TL or Mims would have let this happen.

As for my reference to Hitler, since you obviously didn't get it, I will try to explain it to you. You said you knew the Greenwoods before I was born. So what. Does that fact make them good people? Not always. There were LOTS of ppl who knew LOTS of other ppl before I was born. But that doesn't mean they were good people (ref. Hitler).

As for the Whopper blood, I do not own any. I just brought that up b/c the Greenwoods knowingly registered that mixed breed & knowingly registered pups off that mutt. So they aren't the little angels you make them out to be.

GAPits: I agree, the ADBA isn't responsible for falsifying the papers. The thief is. BUT ... the ADBA was asked to investigate the matter & didn't & when asked to rectify the situtation, they refused. So to me, that's just as bad.

As for Whopper, I have already covered that previously. Yes, he was registered & yes, it was a travesty. But what makes it more of a travesty is that it was done knowingly by the ADBA.

But that is another story ...

 

lets go over this once again little girl. i KNOW THESE PEOPLE and they are HONEST. you DONT KNOW THEM and shouldn't bad mouth people that you know nothing about. if nothing else its bad manners. if you can HELP a situation DO THAT.

if you want to be menopausal, then keep whining about the gwoods or me or anyone else you want. judging from the amount of posts you have made here, it seems to me you probably whine on a regular basis and from your comments you definitely show ignorance and immaturity.

 

And we know this is fact how? I will be glad to make the call to find out the whole story, now I am not doubting it has been a bad incident for the op but the ADBA was given paperwork to the effect that the dog was to be transfered. I am aware that it was falsified but until all the facts are presented maybe everyone should not be so quick to judge.

 

You are EXACTLY right. And the dog is still at the kennel for now until this is sorted out.

 

oldog: Let me tell you a story. There is someone here in my area who I shall call MW. I know MW personally. He is into pit bulls. There are some folks that MW has done plain out, low down, dirty wrong. And there are others MW has done really right. If you talk to the folks MW has done right, they will tell you he is as good as gold. Does that make him as good as gold? NO. It just means he was as good as gold TO THEM.

So you know the G'woods. They apparantly were honest in dealings with you &/or those you know. Good for you. But like my friend MW, just b/c they're honest with you &/or your friends does NOT mean they are honest in ALL dealings. Their involvement in the Whopper fiasco has proven that & one does not need to know them personally to see that.

For example, do I need to personally know the guy who steals my wallet to know he's a thief? No. (And no, I'm not saying the G'woods are thieves. I'm just using that as an illustration.)

The G'woods actions in the past tells anyone who is objective enough to see & admit it that at times they can be shady if it benefits them. Are they shady all the time? No. Have they done ppl right? Yes. Have they done more right than wrong? I'd say yes. But that still doesn't change the fact that they have been shady in the past & if the OP's story is true, they're being shady now by refusing to rectify an error they have made.

And again, I am thrilled you are offering a solution. I truly hope the OP takes your help. As for me, no, I have not offered a solution as of yet. I can't b/c I don't know the G'woods as well as you do. (rotfl - sorry I couldn't help it. )

As for me being whiny, immature & menopausal, I will not lower myself to such inane things as name-calling. I will however say I find it ironic that such childish behaviour comes from someone who uses the nick "oldog." You think one who is an elder would be more mature.

GAPits: You make a good point. We do not know 100% that the OP's story is a "fact." Heck, he might have posted this just to get us all a-buzz, but I doubt it. Further, if you do not doubt the OP is in a bad situtation, why do you doubt the his story could be factual?

As for the ADBA, as much as some would like to twist, turn or wriggle around it, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE whatsoever for the ADBA not using the ORIGINAL document. None, nada, zip, zero.

If the OP's story is true, the ADBA violated their own policy & now they've made a mistake & are refusing to make it right.

Verderbend: I would say next time simply make a phone call as a previous poster suggested instead of sending a letter of release.

That being said I'd suggest you want PM oldog to see if he can help you. If you don't want to go that route you could hire a lawyer &/or report the ADBA to the better business beauru. But I'd PM oldog first to see what he can do since he professes to know the G'woods well & says he can help you.

Either way, good luck.

 

No kennel I know of that boards dogs will release dogs to someone other than the owner without a signed letter it is ok. ANYONE can call and say so and so is coming. Even most groomers wont let someone else pick a dog up unless they are told someone else is coming, or its a family member that has picked the dog up before and they know them. I PM'd oldog yesterday. He has not got back to me.

 

you have a PM, verdeben

 

The simple fact that ADBA would register a dog over the computer is what has me thrown. If it is FACT, they should NEVER release paperwork through email verification. What kind of crap is that:eek: !!!!Verderben, my only advice to you is to take care of your dog business yourself! NEVER trust a friends' friend to do something like this. It's way to easy now-a-days to forge/fake documennts. There is so much that can be done with all this photoshop bullshit it's unbelievable. As others have said, I hope you get your dog's paperwork back, but I doubt it's going to be easy or cheap.

 

I have had good experiences with the ADBA, but, one time a dog was registered with a photocopy of Pats signature. He complained but it wasnt deregistered. That was a long time ago, but it happened. It was on a single registration form.The signature had been cut out and pasted to the paper and that photocopied. Pat got a copy of it and it was obvious. Still it was not corrected. So, maybe mistakes are made. I think a polite letter to MsBullock CLEARLY explaning this situation will get more results than frantic telephone calls. It is often hard to understand WHAT is going on in these kind of situations and you must spell it out very clearly to get results. If you have the original papers on the dog you should photocopy those to show you didnt sign the dog over to anybody. Since its probably too far for you to go show them that paper in person, you could have your copy notarized to show it is a true copy of the original unsigned over ownership certificate and that notarized form will be dated. I hope you get this sorted out as this kind of thing is really bad. I have had more experiences than I can recount with these kind of creeps in these dogs. A new scam is born every minute when you have something someone else wants or envies.