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And Kominski is not very well know for producing a strong familey of dogs. Thats a fact. dont get on the cross our breed bullshit with me. IT JUST AINT AS GOOD sure you may get a freak but for the numbers it dont work.. Thats a fact!! And think about how many more he would have won if he didnt breed curs SURE a hard mouth curr could have beat a fair game dog but not a dog that was just as hard and a game dog ,any thing can be beat down, I think we all knows what happens when you have every thing else the same but one is more game.... YIS J

 

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nice read

 

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Thanks good read.

 

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And Kominski is not very well know for producing a strong familey of dogs. Thats a fact.

No that’s your opinion. And a poor one at that. You have no idea how well known his dogs are/were, that is your assumption as to what you think other people know. (And since a lot of those dogs are gone now I guess it wasn’t a strong family? considering what happen to all the Patrick dogs and the boudreaux dogs, hmmmm lot of those dogs are gone now too, maybe they weren’t a strong family….interesting) Furthermore, the label of a “strong family of dogs” comes with many variables as to what it is that defines strong as it pertains to a family of pit dogs, maybe you could elaborate with the use of your own pedigree, or better yet some proven pedigrees you respect as being “cream” of the crop, then maybe we’ll get to the bottom your rederick.

<O:p</O:pdont get on the cross our breed bullshit with me. IT JUST AINT AS GOOD sure you may get a freak but for the numbers it dont work.. Thats a fact!!

You need to re-read my original post and consider a time line involved before you jump to the conclusion that I’m unaware of what’s best for the working apbt.<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p

And think about how many more he would have won if he didnt breed curs SURE a hard mouth curr could have beat a fair game dog but not a dog that was just as hard and a game dog ,any thing can be beat down,

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Your factious match reports are irrelevant.
<O:p</O:pDeacon’s little walter & Triple j’s cross dresser<O:p</O:p
Little Walter of cur decent. Cross dresser from strong family of gameness. Cross dresser out front early on. Turn on little walter at 15. Walter goes hard. Handle at 21 mark. Cross dresser to go. Cross dress takes count at 22 min.<O:p</O:p
Winner cur bred.<O:p</O:p
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A dog bred from game animals quit. A dog bred from cur breeding won showing a hard game scratch. Of course this is a hypothetical report but the outcome happens all the time>>>>>FACT.<O:p</O:p
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The topic is battle crossing and breeding for desired traits. Not everyone respects the same traits, or uses the same breeding techniques to achieve there success. Hunter red was given to Crenshaw because he was just a dumb plug. Crenshaw got just that off him, so he got rid of him. He then went to smith’s yard and made rom. Rebel kennels got alot of crenshaws culls, a lot of those culls turned out to be winners/ch/rom/por ect….these are all Historical FACTS.
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<O:p</O:pI think we all knows what happens when you have every thing else the same but one is more game.... YIS <O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p

Never do any two dogs have “all else the same”. Only someone who doesn’t know what there looking at would make that statement.<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p

 

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I think this was more of a hypothetical. It's hard to judge or determan what dog waould win over what dog. It's a fight. If you and I got in a fight and I was clearly the more prepared and better fighter and I make a mistake. You could land one on my chin and knock me out and win the fight. It's a fight noway to predict the out come. but givin the scenario from J. If two dogs with equil attributes with the exception of one being more game then the other. It would seem easy enough for the dog that was more game to take the match........ but again it's a fight so anything could happen. in either of these sceanarios. I personaly don't see TOO MANY mixed bred muts beating an APBT at what it was bred to do. Not to say it doesn't happen.

 

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yeah , i was aware of his hypothetical senario, which is why i introduced one myself. Im not trying to convice anyone to breed or show any mix bred animals in any of my posts, Ive merely addressed the issue that "mix bred" breeding is what created the apbt and that in itself should be enough for any fancier of the apbt to respect.

 

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Ok but IMO it would be harder to belive a mixed bred dog wining over a APBT as uposed to J's Scenario. Agreed you have to respect that. It's the breed history. But I doubt many of those mixed dogs would hold a candle to a proper modern APBT. But I see your point Deac.

Victor

 

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Hey bro why do you care how John Doe breeds his dogs? as long as YOU know how is it any concern of anyone elses? if someone wants to breed those dog and wants to put his money where his mouth is call it and let the better win.....

back in the old days it was Agree on a sex and a weight and bring the best DOG..... Best of luck to someone that wants and breed hybreds... it no sweat off my back...

 

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In the same theory a dog man could also breed Tosa's and patterdales to his ApBT's.... now what hybrid that would be

 

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Now i might be wrong but didn't Kominski kill all of his dogs to keep them out of peoples hands... before he died all of his dogs were dead too...

 

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This topic is very interesting:cool:

 

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komosinski born in 1894 died 1983 of cancer. before he died he told his wife vicky to put all the dogs down which she did, and died within 6 months later also.(adba gazzete spring 04 part 1, summer 04 part 2 written by ozzie stevens.)

 

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Patterpits are used quite a lot in southern Europe. Makes for a nice cross IMO. Pitbull blood is often used in the Tosa and Tosa blood has been infused in APBT in some programs in central Asia and Russia to make for a larger pitbull terrier; that can fight against much larger caucasian sheppard dogs or mongrel variants which sometimes kill APBT when outweighing them by 30 or 40 pounds and very unfair due to the weight disadvantage.

The paterpitt above is from a US web site that breeds APBT's and patterdales.

I'm not a fan of trying to create larger APBT as I prefer smaller dogs anyway, but I do like some of the patterpits that are bred from "game" APBT or working staffords and "game' patterdale terriers. Game terrier crosses of different breeds have been carried out for centuries in Europe where ofter paperwork and breed name is irrelevant, the only factor being relevant is can the two animals being bred together both work well and what will each one bring to the dinner table. That is up to the dog man concerned as "red cocaine" states and no one elses business (unless he asks for advice)!
APBT fans should be very proud of all their breed's donations to other breeds, APBT blood is around in a lot of today's breeds and yes it makes very interesting discussion to learn about this topic.

 

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How many dogs made good dogs off those crosses??? how many winners??? and any time you want to check my gameness you take I 95 south call me when yo cross the floride line. Its easy to talk shit behind a key board. And the truth is the truth curr dogs may win one or two but not on a scale that matters. Just like your dream of a match report you would not make 2 min with me much less 22. Ive been to war I know how to finish fast. Dont come on hear talking all that bull shit about breeding currdogs some new guy may think he is going to make the next best thing and make man killers. any time on that other Im allways in keep and allways ready Pm me I will give you my number. DICK HEAD. Yours in sport J

 

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. <<<< that little dot is the worlds smallest symphony, and its playing just for you.

 

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Interesting article..Useful?, not really but interesting none the less..

The only reports of apbt mixes that I have heard about doing well were the dogs of the late Walter Komosinski,and he never came out and said that he was cross breeding the two breeds..But by looking at some/most of the dogs that came from his yard,its appearant that he must have done some expiremental breedings..That and the fact that more than a few reputable dogmen have stated in print,and otherwise,that they saw english bull terriers on his yard during their frequent visits to his there..
Regarless of what Mr. Komosinski did,or how well he faired, I personally would NEVER condone the breeding of the apbt to ANY other breed of dog (and this includes bullies,blue dogs,etc)..

The dogs mentioned in the article were shown in the uk..The competition in the uk is/was/has been not up to par with their counterparts across the atlantic..Not saying that there werent good dogs in the uk,just not like there were/are in the states..Stormer was arguably one of the better known dogs coming from the other side of the pond..One of his wins was over a english bull terrier..Stiff comp eh?.If one was to brag on such a contest here in the states,he would get laughed and/or ridiculed by his peers for "picking spots"..The Farmer Boys were arguably one of the top kennels in the uk..Im sure that they didnt use any mixed breed dogs..

Im not saying that the apbt has never lost to a animal of a different breed (as around 5yrs ago Rickey B turned in a report to the agdt with his Irish Staff winning over a APBT) ,what Im saying is that no other breed,or cross breed can win on a consistent,or even a moderatley consistant basis when competing in the so called "fast lane"..Period..

 

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lol @ Farmers boys not using any mixed breeds!

That place over the pond is where your dogs originally came from.

Some more info for people unfamilair with dogs over the pond.
http://www.game-bred.com/indigenous-fighting-dogs-oftheisles.pdf

 

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6970000/newsid_6972000/6972097.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6

I may have jumped the gun about the Farmer Boys not using mutts,but Im quite sure that if they used them mutts,it was BEFORE they started messing with bulldogs..Watch the video above..I dont hear ANY mention of staffs..

Our dogs came from the UK over 150+ plus years ago,and were perfected here in the good ol' US of A..There are only a handful of dogs in modern times that have been brought in from the UK that have faired well here..That is a fact..
That cannot be said about dogs from the states being brought to the UK..

 

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Yes I agree about the USA perfecting them (but lets have some respect for their origins). Farmer's boys were breeders from Northern Ireland during and after the troubles. Anyway wasn't taking the piss about you not knowing the Farmer's boys used "battle crosses" and mutss in their breeding, I wouldn't expect you to know. It was just an unfortunate one for you to use as they are well know for just that. (You are in the USA I would not expect you to know about dogs from a little windy un-important Isle called Ireland).

On those shows I wouldn't worry what they call the dogs, new reporters can't tell the difference between an Irish Staff and a Pit bull terrier (I can because i "know" some of the dogs that are often seen in those programs). Flint was a farmers boy's dog and he came from the same dam that Stormer came from "the old bull bitch" an Irish ebt badger dog and a stafford that jumped the pit!
Anyway i don't want to get into a transatlantic internet battle about whose dogs are better. They are all from the same family lets have mutual respect.
Another link that you may find interesting.
http://keetchs-irish-staffords.com/History_on_Pedigrees/history_on_pedigrees.html

p.s.

In the UK and Irealand it can get confusing for people even in the know as often dogs are called by the same names or even similar name.

 

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Crossing the APBT with other "closley related" breeds to increase performance in the offspring is rediculous..If its not rediculous than why havent people been using these types off dogs in the so called "fast lane"?.Because when money is on the line you put yourself a a great disatvantage when using anything other than a APBT (kind of like going to Cesars Palace with $100 expecting to hit it big)..I dont condone dogfighting in the least bit,but it is what it is..Dogfighting does exist and the people that par take in such activities dont bring mixed breed dogs..

As far as having respect for the origins of this wonderful breed,I have nothing but the utmost respect for the men and dogs that have made the APBT what it is today..With that being said I also have much respect for many of the other working terriers that put themselves in danger while enjoying every minute of what they are doing (hunting,varmin work,etc)..

You are correct in you assumption that I am not familiar with many of the dogs from the UK..That is because the dog game in the UK doesnt interest me much..Again, not to say that no good dogs reside in the UK,but rather that the best dogs in the world are here in the USA..
As for not listening to what reporters say on those programs, I was refering to what the Farmer Boys themselves,as well as the other active knls were saying..I didnt hear one of them mention any type of Staff..Only APBT..