Breeding to a well bred cur?

Ngk,
It's not for everyone to understand that's why there are so few good dogs and very few men that can keep a family of dogs alive strong with few to no out crosses. And this is due to a no or very low understanding of what a family of dogs is. See its not about the mans name or the dogs name u see most in the ped it's more about the traits from the dogs in the family and breeding in on only the best that line of dogs have to offer and like I do think I said before not all of the time is the best dog of the litter the best in the box. Most dogs become what u like if u take the time that's why when u breed a family of dogs or take over a family from a man u need to also understand the man that bred them his likes and dislikes. That's what so many men forget to do. You have to know were u came from before you can ever know where ur going.
See if it's a game dog u want shit that's easy to get. I don't care about gameness !!!!! I am trying to kill u before gameness comes to play I could care less if u die game ur just that dead and u can't do anything good for me.
What is a better dog a dog that showed what it was bred for but quit in 45 min but the dog that won died. This dog kills everything it meets Or a dog that is dumb game no ability just takes what is give to him but don't stop comming but it also only throws the same dumb game dogs.

 

I'll take the gamedog with as much or more abilty than the rough cur, the dog that when the chips are down hangs in there and when their is an opening left by the tired rough cur it finishes the job with no questions asked. You said alot when you said you dont care about gameness, that tells me that you don't understand the breed and would rather breed to a pure family with a pedigree appose to actually maintaining a working family. If you can breed your dogs so that all you need is 45 minutes to get the guaranteed win and do this with consistancy regardless of the other charges ability then hats off to you but I think your going to fail if you ignore gameness.

The pedigree behind my dogs looks the way it does because of the actions of each individual dog, sure I put the Stud and Bitch together in an attempt to create as good or better than my existing stock but... When a dog showed me it wasn't worth breeding I didn't breed it, even if its ped said BREED ME BREED ME!!!!

NGK

 

Ill take 2 of the kills everything it meets please. Lol and id like to add a side of willing to be there all day.

 

Ngk
Lol my understanding lol it's winning and in the big show it's not the game dog that wins. This bullshit talk u talk on her is from books and reading story's of the old dogs bred up under the Cajun rules this favors the gamer dog. Gameness dont mean better. Step up into 2012 the dog winning are not game dogs and haven't been for years it's been the ruff hard mouth dog that bites u out.
When anyone talks about the best dogs they talk about hard mouth killing killing dogs. You say u want gamedogs but the first real ruff dog u get that a dog can't last longer than 30 min with. U like most will say fuck gameness !
Say what u want look at what ever u look at to see what's working now look at the times and tell me it's about gameness.

 

Who says you cant have both, if your winning every time in 45 minutes your either cheeting, lieing or going against back yard bred bullshit dogs. Who do you think you are Don Mayfield reincarnate? I have a clear view of your understanding sir as you have made it quite easy to read, you go on breeding Pure hard mouth Curs and i'll go on breeding total package dogs with a game foundation.

NGK

 

Why breed to a well bred cur when you can breed to a well bred winner who produces winners lol. Just cause someone got lucky breeding curs doesn't mean you should try it ... you should breed for the total package. Breeding best to best IMO is the only way to go. You can roll the dice any which way you would like to but when the odds are heavily stacked against you it makes more sense to breed the best you have. And lol @ not breeding for gameness yeah those type of dogs only last but so long until a real game dog comes along and finishes them off ... there is a lot of shitty competition to go around cur against cur those dogs go through curs like diapers but those dogs are never remembered and know one ever talks about them it's because of gameness that the greatest dogs are remembered and spoken about amongst other dog men and fanciers of the breed. How could you be proud to put your name on garbage with some magic ability hoping that it will pass through the rest of the shit lol. Sad even a green horn like myself can see something terribly wrong with that logic. There is something called pride you should always take pride in what you breed.

 

witch kind of boyles ?

 

Ones down from tobacco road.

 

I think you are missing the point, when you make statements about breeding to a cur, then say you don't care about gameness then say you win in 45 minutes so gameness isn't important you are going to get a response from people who value gameness. Your example of Art, Zebo, Homer and Pit General leads me to believe that you didn't consider them gamedogs, I'm saying that they were Ace dogs no doubt but bred from Gamedog stock. To take the one trait that sets these dogs apart from other breeds (gameness) and throw it to the wayside in the attemt to create dogs that win with mouth in short order has been done. 99.9% of the time it fails over time and the family (as you call it) dies off because the trait called gameness wasn't considered and preserved.

Im more than happy to breed around gameness and use the measure of gameness to create and preserve what I have and in doing so believe that my line of dogs will stand the test of time because of it. Every now and then a special dog has (and will continue to) pop up that is exceptional and has the ability to win in short order and is game. Thats the name of the game to me and I would be hard pressed to find any experienced dogmen or women who would disagree with that statement.

If anyone wants to stand on the side of breeding curs to maintain family so be it but I will not be one of them.

NGK

 

are you sporting your stormtrooper outfit as well? LOL
im not mocking the thread whatsoever, its just one of those "to each their own" kinda deals and folks are always gonna stick to what might have worked for them IN THE PAST.

as for me, i am i firm believer in the best to best (and game is the name of the game) was a better method, but like anything there always was exceptions, we all can find curs and ice cold dogs in our peds. thats why i always post something like "breeding is a gamble....period". nobody can dispute that, so thats always about as far as i will ever dive into these type threads. carry on fellas

 

I agree LeeD, but the more people breed away from gameness the less of a breed we will have in the long run. The object is to win so each to their own, if people want to win and then buy dogs to win again good for them, Im not going to spend my hard earned money on something that I can create myself. Their is no formula for success in the dogs but their are guidelines that if followed increase your chances of success.

NGK

 

IMO the only time to breed to a well bred cur is if the only other option in the world is a scatter bred cur lol... The lesser of the two evils

 

I agree with icepick. If your gonna breed dogs then IMO some morals should be set forth. If your only choice is a cur. Then you need to hold off on the breeding. Yes I realize good dogs have come from curs. But I also know the guy across the road won $25,000 on a 2 dollar scratch off( no bullshit).

 

what about Little Gator ROM he was a cold dog but made rom dont seem like he would of made it that far today

 

Cold and Cur are two different things, I wouldn't breed to a cold dog either...

NGK

 

then thats person is crazy why would u put money on a dog that quit in schoolin the only reason i can think of would it was his first time rollin him and he was not fully started and then went on to passed a hard game test

 

Sometimes people can't see the forest because all the damn trees are in their way...

NGK

 

didn't someone once say,....breed your game dogs and you shall get your fighting dogs?????

 

It was something along those lines, I think the problem is that alot of modern day breeders are thinking that Rough Curs are Aces because they go into each other, both thinking that they have good dogs when in all reality its just 2 average rough curs swapping it out until one quits. Most of them have never seen the true Ace which would be as rough or rougher than their cur and game as well. When the old timers went into each other they almost always brought a gamedog to the party because they knew that they may run into one and they wanted to increase their chances of a win should it go long. In the countries where it is still legal to match dogs very few men know what a true Gamedog looks like and the ones that do have trouble finding an honest match as the breeders of rough curs are to worried about their own reputation and not that of the dogs they breed.

To those of you who continue to breed Gamedogs to the true standards of the breed my hat is off to you!!!!

NGK

 

so you get your prized " game"dog after 3. then breed him into your yard. 4 comes around & it shows cur. now what you cull every dog sir by your cur? lots of folks talking shit & i doubt many would no the difference between the two? the dogs go as far as the man behind them.