Breeding to a well bred cur?

this is the stuff these sites need, folks that were there to tell us fact from fable....

thanks for the insight ray.....

 

I would like to second this!
Thank you Randy F.

 

Randy what are your toughts on the words from Danny Burton..


what type of fighting dog he was but TIGER DAN was on top most of the time as he was a more talented dog. But . The LUCKY dog came from Howard Heinzl just like the DIBO dog, but the NIG dog was Earl’s favorite dog. Earl really liked NIG and used him as a stud dog just like LUCKY. NIG was a solid black dog, really good looking. Earl was already 76 years old when I met him the first time and eventually traded NIG to somebody in Witchita, Tx. At that time they changed his name to SMOKEY. There is a lot of controversy about the NIG dog but there were only two other people there when I rolled TIGER DAN against his sire NIG and that was Earl Tudor himself and Don Maloney. TIGER DAN was a brindle dog and a hard, punishing bulldog. I really can’t remember how long the roll took but it was real vicious and NIGG.R did never, ever quit!

Where do you believe the rumor started? I believe Don Maloney spread the rumor because he was a jealous man and couldn’t accept the fact that Earl took a liking to me, and of course, I had TIGER DAN which was a son of NIG. Don Maloney was a friend of mine and a good dogman, but he could never accept that somebody else would have dogs as good as his. I personally don’t even breed dogs to sell and you will never see me run an ad in the mags trying to sell pups or whatever but the truth is that NIG never quit! NIG was a producing dog, and the best fighting dog that ever lived was his grandson on both sides of the pedigree. This was the PIT GENERAL dog. He was by far the best and most devastating bulldog I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.

 

What more can you tell me about the NIG dog? Well, NIG ended up with Don Mayfield. He paid something like $300 or $500 for the dog to Sam Kennedy and in those days that was a lot of money. NIG was a producing dog. I had the Plumber’s ALLIGATOR dog and worked him for 2 or 3 fights. He was a big black dog, and I won his champion fight with him. You could spot a NIG bred dog a mile away. Their characteristics are that when you walk up to them they would piss all over themselves, 9 out of 10 will. They were some kind of shy and would roll over on their back when you touched them. I bought my TIGER DAN from Earl and he was out of NIG and Womack’s MERT. He was a brindle. Earl gave Bernice a puppy that is registered as Mayfield’s SPOOKIE but that really is my SPOOKIE. I don’t really care because like I said before, I’m not in the business of selling dogs and Don can do that as far as I’m concerned. But anyway, Earl gave that puppy to Bernice when she was four years old, she was solid black. Later we bred her to TIGER DAN and this breeding produced the best dog to ever walk the earth. His name was PIT GENERAL. This dog was a true super dog, I have never seen anything like him again in my life after he got stolen. TIGER DAN won two fights for me but SPOOKIE would never fight. She was a cold bitch. We had two males and seven females. The females were all cold, wouldn’t hit a lick. But the males….oh boy! They were something special. PIT GENERAL had a brother that I liked better than him, his name was SATAN. One time when I was at Sam Kennedy’s place, SATAN got off the chain and killed three hogs and then jumped on a dog called KILLER that had won four fights. They killed each other. PIT GENERAL was a 42 to 44 pound dog and at this weight he was unbeatable. He was absolutely awesome, an ACE in every way. He was one of the hardest biting dogs in the history of fighting dogs. At one time, I had some good dogs. There was RANGER, a four time winner I got from Earl. This dog was a full bellymate brother to JIMMIE BOOTS. He was a 52-54 pound dog. Also I had VICK, GATLIN, and another one called BOBBYSON. I put GENERAL on all four at the same time and he just literally murdered them all as fast as I could go and get the next one. The next day Don and Phyllis Mayfield came up here and all the dogs were in the house except GENERAL. He was the only one standing on his chain. Don said “What did you do Danny?” I told him I rolled some dogs yesterday and he said, “Why did you roll them all into each other and not into this black dog?” I said I rolled them all against that black dog and he said “What! How much do you want for him?” I sold him the whole lot, and that’s how he got GENERAL.
What happened to GENERAL after Don Mayfield got him? He matched him against this guy from Oklahoma. His name was Billy or something. The dog he used was a good head dog called DUKE. GENERAL couldn’t get him for a long time, but when he did, he bit him in two. GENERAL was then matched into Freddie Jones’ BLACK BART. In fact, Pat Patrick wrote Don a letter at the time saying that this BART dog would take meat away from a bear and that he wouldn’t even roll a dog into that BART dog. Don ask me at the time what I thought about it and I told him it wouldn’t be a problem as I tried to hurt GENERAL with all I had but I couldn’t. This fight was much talked about just like the Tyson-Spinks fight, dogmen came from all over the country just to see this one. GENERAL killed BART in 52 minutes and then after the fight he was stolen. I got a letter from Roland Fontenot with some pictures of GENERAL and in the letter he said that he knew the fight was over in seven minutes, because he had broken both shoulders on BART and later on in the fight he literally took off BART’s leg. GENERAL was a freak of nature, he would eat a dog, literally rip them apart and start eating them. He was so aggressive that he wouldn’t even breed a bitch. One time while Don went to town to do some shopping, a bitch that was in heat got loose off the chain and ran up to GENERAL. He killed her while she was in full blossom. Jimmy Wimberly found the bitch and he told me he saw how GENERAL was standing over her and just tearing her muscles out of her. I know now who stole GENERAL and several told me this was true, but I don’t want to tell who it was because it would do no good now.

Was it an Oklahoma or Texas dogman? I really don’t want to say anything about this because you could pinpoint it. It’s out of respect that I don’t want to bring this out in the open. But the thing is, that GENERAL was a double bred NIG dog, and this, PLUS THE FACT THAT NIG NEVER QUIT, makes me believe he was a good individual plus a hell of a producer!

 

I wasn't there offcourse but when i have read this story before i could smell some BS in his words.
Really put al 4 dogs on him, right this part smell like a full BS to me and even going almost 10lbs uphill agaist a 4xW.
Come on Limey you can't believe that shit do you ?
The man already said he was there when nigger quit

 

..the funny thing a-bout dogs that quit is some-times they produce dogs that won't stop for any-thing,which i've seen as a-lot have...ps:thank's for the input on these dog's.of the past...b8b

 

While some men may have most didnt baby sit their hounds. And when they wanted to see something game they did some extreme things. A friend of mines who was under Carver tutelage once told me that if a dog was going to be brood, and not showed that i should roll him 30 mins one, day the following day another 30 and the 3rd day another 30 if he keep scratching he/she could be brood.. Some folks have different methods.

 

I wrote an answer to your statement Limey but it didn't post. I like Danny real weel and wish it didn't happen for his sake but 7 people owned Nigger. I have heard this story you told a hundred times. Danny or you or I could not have been at all 7 homes to know what Nigger did. I have a friend that is alive today that saw Nigger quit. I ask him to come forward and tell everyone. I ask him for 30 years. He says let them ignorant so and so's believe whatever that want to. He no longer has dogs and wants no part of the dogmen or anything to do with pitbulls. He is still my friend because he was and is still good to me. Sometime he calls me an idiot for having the dogs but I still like him and think he is probably right. Dogs are not Gods. They are not perfect. They mess up and do things you never thank they will. I have had sofa make me want to cry. You and Danny will always believe what you want to. I cannot change you or Danny's mind and that is fine. But when anyone ask me what I saw I am going to tell the truth and you guys will tell what ever you think. If you will just thank for a second. If it ever got in court whether he quit or not. No jury would believe you because you were not there. I am a witness that was there. Maloney and Merriman bought him from Forsyythe and had himn for a day or tow or three I'm not sure. They brought him back to Forsythes and wanted their money back. He traded them some junk for him back but wouldn't give their money back. Why would Maloney and Merriman buy him and then bring him back for any other reason than him quitting like they said. Would anyone here bring him back all cut up and demand their mony back for any other reason. I hate to come on here for the very reason of people like you Limey. I am tell what I know and it is true. One more story. They had a deal back then ever sunday afternoon at the flats an area in Oklahoma city. They would fight dogs at badgers and at racoons or anything else those guys could think up. We talked A.B. Forsythe into bring Nigger out there and putting him on a racoon. After a short period of fighting Nigger quit weent to screaming and tried to climb the fenced pen upward trying to get away. I've had Patterdales that could have whipped that Coon. Randy

 

You guys will have to over look my typing. I can't seem to hit the keys right because of my old big hard fingers. I can spell but I leave out letters and put om extra letters and everything else and I can't see very good. For that I am sorry.Randy

 

Don't know any-thing a-bout the story above,but why the hell would ya want to 4-dog..any dog...?????????known ya have something of the said caliber why would ya bother doing that,,instead jus put him straight in-to show,,,????????

 

Maloney told some people about him quitting and that he tried to get his money back. That part of Danny's story is true. Don saw him quit and another time I saw him quit. Randy

 

Taught ya had a few to many there with the xtra letter's ...lol..lol..southy+coke-cola

 

Also. I believe pit General was a great dog and I also believe he was one of the greatest of that era. But nigger was a curr. Randy

 

Yes and some folks are just plain idiots.
Think about it for a sec, 4 dogs incl a 4xW that was 10lbs bigger, either al 4 dogs were shit dogs and the 4xW went in to shit compition but no way in hell a dog walks out of their fine specialy if they al went after each other.
No bloody way a dog stands on the chain after that
Sounds like hyped shit to me, i've seen about 400/500 shows that's just the shows i have on my hdd, take any 4 of those dogs and put them against a good game dog even an Ace dog and that dog wil come out damaged like hell.
That's just my opinion

 

Agree with j-black on that,,,4 +still standing...he was it/r/they were a total waste of feed.....???????

 

Folks, Why did the great perfect pitbull like Nigger who was a dog God that Sired Tiger Dan and T UgerDan only sired one great dog in that Litter that was Pit General. One medium quality male and four females that were cold. You would think a dog that has reached God Statis would have thrown dogs for three or four generations like Dibo did. Like I said Nigger was not game. I saw 20 to thirty dogs sired by him quit and about 8 or 10 that were descent. Not to bad but not God statis.

 

That's food for taught r70,as they say...cheer's............

 

I think there's some truth in all the stories. Why someone would roll an old stud dog into a coon befools me though.
I don't think you can test gameness from 30 min. a day for 3 days, it will only test a dog's resilliance to damage. I think you need at least an hour to see some gameness and a good portion of that has to come from bottom.
I don't see any problem with putting 2, 3 or 4 dogs on one if that's what you need to school or test a dog. If you have a good one that's what it may take and some folks don't like to bust up their dogs too bad so we'll use 2 or more dogs during schooling.

Randy I'd like to ask you about some of those Nigger dogs if I may. Did they bite real hard? it sounds like they did. How was their speed? How were they with regard to natural air? How intelligent were they and did they possess a higher degree of ability than the average? What was their main style, were they the "dancer" type like Billy Purdue's Duke dog or were they more straight ahead barnstorming type dogs?
Thanks in advance for any input you can give.

 

I'm through talking about Bullyson and Nigger. Every Time I Tell what I saw. Someone gets on here and contradicts what I saw with their here say. I knew better but told my side anyway. You guys fuss it out the way you want it to be. I really don't care. I'm done with this. Randy

 

who cares what they say.... its the internet, let folks believe what they want to believe....... for the rest of us who want to know the truth, keep on keepin on..............