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carvers pre-keep?

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by bdub, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. bdub

    bdub Top Dog

    i was looking around the net and found this,,supposedly its maurice carvers pre-keep.

    [SIZE=+2]MAURICE CARVER'S
    PRE-KEEP
    [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HOW I FEED A DOG OUT
    TO DETERMINE HIS FIGHTING WEIGHT[/SIZE]

    First of all, this dog is 2 years old. He lives on the chain, in good shape,
    about 50 lbs.. I’ve been rolling him since he was 16 months old. He’s been
    rolled about 5 times. He has a good bite, he’s a strong wrestler and WELL-BRED. Now, I want you to understand that this is a “for instance”. I’ve cleaned my dog up, worms, etc.. It takes about 20 to 30 days to put him at the weight
    I think he should fight at. This depends on whether his fat is hard or soft.

    About 5:00 in the afternoon, I give him 5 miles of road work. I keep the dog’s pace at about 6 or 7 miles per hour beside the car, on about 25 feet of rope.
    In this 5 miles of work, I windsprint him twice for about 50 yards. When I get back to the house, I put him in his condition house for about 45 minutes.
    The water I give him is thoroughly boiled and cooled. I let him drink until
    he lifts his head.

    The food consists of ¼ lb. Lean ground meat, cooked about half done, 2 - 12 minute boiled eggs, 2 cups of All-Bran, 1 cocktail can of tomato juice. This is all he gets. I feed vitamins in this pre-keep----this is very important! I kill two birds with one stone. This pup has not been tested yet. The day that he comes to the weight I think he should fight at, I completely change his ration, for 7 days.
    I give him about 2 lbs. of meat and 2 tea cups of Purina. I give him his last feeding the 6th day. What I’m trying to explain is, he does not get any food
    or drink for about 18 to 24 hours before he’s tested.

    I put a big, rough dog, about 15 to 20 lbs. bigger on him for about 20 to 25 minutes. Then, I start scratching him. Now, you must remember that this dog has been in pre-keep and your big dog might get in trouble for air. If he does, I’d pick him up and put another rough one on him. You usually don’t have to use the second dog, especially if your big dog has been pulled down to about 5 or 7 lbs. of his fighting weight. Some say I am too rough but this is a rough game.

    Now your pup is ready to go to the Vet and get medication. I’ve always been lucky about having a good Vet that understands.

    Take good care of him and he’ll be ready to match in about 90 days. With good care and medication, it takes about 62 days for his blood to purify after a hard go. Remember, a dog from 13 to 18 lbs. over his fighting weight, doesn’t have but about 7 minutes of air in him and damn sure can be stopped, especially if he is young. There has been many a fat dog called cur. Take good care of a good prospect. There’s a lot of good dogs ruined every year by the owners drinking too much and rolling their dogs. It does not go together!
    I have done this myself and messed up.

    I am the third generation in the dog game. My grandfather got dogs from Ireland, from an uncle of his, long before I ever came. He told my father that the family of dogs he had were bred right and were all game. If they turned out bad, he’d blame it on their upbringing.

    You young men, or not so young men, that are just starting, don’t hesitate
    to ask questions because most any older man in the dog game will help you. There’s not many big secrets that are real, just good horse sense is the big secret! This was not written to cause controversy, just to help a beginner
    that’s interested in the game. ~Maurice B. Carver~
     
  2. Trouble

    Trouble Pup

    Hot post dub good info.
     
  3. jeepfreek

    jeepfreek Big Dog

    thanks for sharing !!
     
  4. csotelo9388

    csotelo9388 Big Dog

    gud reading
     
  5. bdub

    bdub Top Dog

    thanks, i really appreciate what the old guys did for the breed and what the had to teach us
     
  6. NMWAPBT

    NMWAPBT Top Dog

    great post man ;)
     
  7. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels Top Dog

    Who the hell runs their dog beside their car, lol!
     
  8. c-murda

    c-murda Big Dog

    Lazy country boys do that down here Wardog. Plenty of roads with no traffic. I don't do that though. I run mine with my own 2 legs. Good for my own cardio.
     
  9. yoel

    yoel Big Dog

    No one ever trusts anyone anymore to divulge info about the sport... I guess you gotta meet face to face..
     
  10. =^^=GYPSYKITTIN

    =^^=GYPSYKITTIN Big Dog

    I was always told tomato juce and or suaces are too acidic for dogs along with other citrus foods.
    I run my dogs by my jeep, wish I could run with them but my knees are just about to the point to need replacement surgery. It really sucks! I can hand walk them but last time I tried running them I ended up laid up for two weeks and had to get several cortizone shots.
     
  11. magnoilaotis

    magnoilaotis Top Dog

    A keep with a human running on foot with the dog? This guy or gal must be a world class marathon runner or must not plan on hunting long. It is easy to find fault in old programs, but from what I gathered I doubt Mr Carver was ever completly honest. But they did run butcher boy with a car. That article is from a pit dog report I think 1970 when mayfeild started it.
     
  12. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    carver was never considered much of a conditioner, his fame came from being the best breeder in the breed
     
  13. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    You'd be surprised how many dogmen still do this (only because they can and they live in very rural places) But now they use bikes only because it looks more civil and humane!

    YIS
     
  14. c-murda

    c-murda Big Dog

    My dogs hunt till the show is over friend. We win, lose, or draw on our feet;Never off our back or laying on our side. I'm stronger and quicker than any marathon runner I've seen. And my dogs make dogs that have been strictly treadmilled look like Raggedy Andy dolls in comparison. I use a free turning slat sparingly. It's mainly them long lonely roads for me and mine.
    ;)
     
  15. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    exctly what i was gonna say i doubt that was his whole keep iot was probably a piece of the puzzle, or mayb he figured no one would believe that and gave the real thing we will never know
     
  16. bdub

    bdub Top Dog

    so true ,we will never know.wish i had a time machine so i could know
     
  17. dajuice

    dajuice Big Dog

    Yea a lot of the guys down south run 'em along the side of their cars, they got that from the older dogmen down that way. I run mine on my ATV during the summer, but not on the road much, we hit the grass and semi tall weeds mostly. depend on the area we are in most times they are off lead cause there's nothing but rabbits, and other lil small animals they try to chase down for miles and miles.
     
  18. bdub

    bdub Top Dog

    my wife got me out of the country so i guess ill be walking my next dog
     

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