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100% colby

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by okeefes pit boss, Feb 19, 2010.

  1. Mr.Weaver got exposed back when B-Line kennels did for faking reports, Princess, Diamond and his Vindicator dog wins never were substantiated, those dogs were not champions or even winners. Not just the sdj but every publication denied issuing championships to his dogs due to the kennels being unheard of, the 3rd person being unheard of and no known dogman could vouch for any one of the dogs in question. TL was pretty much run outta the game.
     
  2. blackcloud

    blackcloud Big Dog

    The man knows what he is doing when it comes to puting a dog together.....I totally agree!
     
  3. Bullnuts

    Bullnuts Banned

    Indian Sonny Had this to say about the Colby dogs.

    Mr John P Colby was an active breeder for many years and produced some of the best dogs of his time. Much of his foundation stock was from the Gas House and Burke strains, as were the dogs of many other breeders. The difference in the quality of the dogs Mr Colby produced was the result of breeding principles he employed. Also, Mr Colby in my opinion possessed a very important attribute, which I refer to as a gift.

    Mr Colby practised a simplified version of genetics, Best to Best, selective breeding


    Best to Best does not mean performing dogs alone. It entails all aspects of the dogs, from performance to pedigree. The most obvious qualities would be gameness, biting power, talent, stamina and a great bloodline. A bloodline is the result of a breeders influence.

    Over the years dogs bred by Mr Colby began to exhibit physical and mental characteristics such as conformation, colour and gameness which distinguished them. These dogs were then referred to as Colby Dogs. Thus we have the Colby Bloodline. People were proud to say, "This here is a pure Colby dog". This sounds simple; and it leads people to ask; why there were not more top breeders? I believe deciding on what is Best to Best is the key.

    I'm not sure that every dog Mr Colby bred to was Dead game; and I'm equally sure he did not breed to every Dead game dog he owned. This is where the gift comes in. It seems to be an in-born sense or ability. I believe most outstanding accomplishments have been made by men who were endowed with a gift for their respective fields.

    I do not believe that man knows enough about genetics at this time to produce great animals; and he most certainly didn't know enough in the days of Mr Colby. Race horse people spend millions of dollars a year, trying to produce great horses, with only marginal success. Similarly, there is no pattern for producing Great dogs.


    Friends
    The most essential qualities a breeder may possess are; dedication, a gift, a knowledge of Best to Best, and money might come in handy. If a breeder combines these attributes he is likely to produce, with luck, a great strain of dogs.

    It doesn't take too much effort to recall the great Colby dogs of the past. These dogs were bred from the pit and for the pit.

    But all of this brings us to a very important question; When a strain of dogs that were once highly regarded, such as Colby's, stops producing consistently good pit dogs, is this strain still to be considered good? I have heard people say, "I know he's a cur, but the blood is there". While this is true in many cases, I wonder how long we can continue to breed to curs and hope to produce game pit dogs.

    What is good blood and how long will it remain good if we continue to breed to dogs, who do not possess the qualities of their ancestors? While great breeders can breed to dogs who themselves do not exhibit good qualities; can the average breeder afford to take this gamble?

    I have seen strains of dogs that have not produced dogs fitting this description for many years, and people who are active in the sport refer to them as good blood or good brood stock. Many seem to proceed under the assumption, that once a bloodline is good it remains good forever. Many well-meaning people have continued to breed Colby dogs exclusively, thinking all that was necessary to preserve the quality of the strain, was to breed to a dog that had the name Colby on his pedigree.


    I believe that we have to continuously strive to improve the strain, in order to keep it as good as it was or is. It's an accepted theory, that in order for an institution to continue, it must change and continuously seek to improve. To preserve a bloodline, there is more required than just breeding to dogs whose pedigree shows a particular name. Change is required in order to prevent change in the quality of dogs produced. The Colby strain was developed by change.


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    I have heard people say, that the dogs of yesteryear were gamer than those of today. Could it be, in some cases, because we have tried to play Pat and in doing so have lost ground. The people that have bred Colby dogs exclusively for these many years, thinking they were doing what was best, have perhaps underestimated their own ability to breed good dogs.

    Many of them have bred dogs for 40 years or more and could have perhaps contributed much more to their own dogs, by using their own ideas and experience. New ideas are necessary in every field. Sports records are consistently surpassed by those not satisfied with repeating someone else's past performance. Last year's record won't win this year's meet.

    Were the dogs of yesteryear really superior? I'm sure many dog men of the past would think we have it too easy, because we don't have to grow secret vegetables and cook our dog's food or boil their water. Penicillin has replaced many old remedies, making better dog care possible. I have read some diets that top dog men used. While some were good, none could compete with any good commercial dog food available in countless supermarkets. The poorest feeder today is able to provide better nutrition than the best feeder of yesteryear. We also have refrigeration and other conveniences.

    It is not my intention to criticise old-timers and their methods. How many of us would be feeding as many dogs if we had to cope with the same adverse conditions? I think our mission however, is to pick up where they left off, emulating their objectives rather than their methods. The Colby dogs of the past, fit the description of good blood, as their pit records indicate. The Colby strain was developed on the principle of Best to Best. When that principle is no longer employed there is bound to be a drastic change in quality. In a very short period of time a great strain of dogs can be reduced to a strain that can do no more than refer to their pedigree and say "My great, great, grand-daddy was a pit dog....I think!"

    By Indian Sonny

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  4. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I do not really think the source or sway that is being said is true. Real dogs are made, not bred or peddled. The idea of a perfect dog that produces perfect offspring, is far fetched. Someone whith that much time with an animal, may have a better idea of what is going on than someone who is accused of dog thievin.
     
  5. robbie70

    robbie70 Pup

    The Colby's breed good dogs, Indian Sonny stole good dogs Big differance.
     
  6. BullDawg

    BullDawg Big Dog

    Years ago, i had a conversation with Lou (RIP) about that Indian Sonny read. i can quote Lou almost verbatim. He said, (in regards to the line), " When a strain of dogs that were once highly regarded, such as Colby's, stops producing consistently good pit dogs, is this strain still to be considered good" that just because a name is attached/equated to a dog that doesn't automatically mean that, that particular dog wil turn out to be a good bull dog. Breeding should still, and always best best to best and NOT done for name sake, with improvements always to be made".
    give a Colby dog 2-3 years and i doubt you'll be disappointed. ;)
     
  7. blackcloud

    blackcloud Big Dog

    Colby dogs generally 'turn on' late, when I got my first dog off Lou he told me immediately not expect anything for a few year and he was 100% correct! Even Colby's Pincher didn't turn on until he was 3 y.o. Many people expect their dog's to come out of the womb spewing fire, some that do turn out to nothing anyway, if you own a Colby hound give it some time to mature....just might shock the hell outta you..

     
  8. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Bobby knows whats up ! My Colby dogs have these same dogs in there ped'http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=333054
     
  9. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Whether you like Sonny or not (And I happen to), his article is right on the money in every aspect he mentions. People have a misconception of what "best to best" actually means.

    While his article is quite old, it steers people in the right, and most sensible and truthful directions. It mentions aspects in breeding that hardly any other article will even scathe upon, and is a reality pill very much worth swallowing. My recommendation is to read it over and over.
     
  10. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I agree with that 100% TDK - great point.
     
  11. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    Real dogs are made, not bred or peddled-
    ------------------------------------------------
    bred
    its al about the breeding .... earl tudor
     
  12. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    genetics has a lot to do with it, but if they are not raised by a man that has love for them, not just their pedigree, they will not overcome much, I think that is what i was trying to say - I was likely smoked out at that time and not thinking as clear - good point Key - just like that article that Indian Sonny wrote on that other Colby thread I posted on today.
     
  13. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    I Respect Sonny's opinion ! Some one always has to talk shit about certain knowledgeable folks ! ''Jealous'' People.....IMO ! Great post TDK !
     
  14. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    the story from sunny IN THIS topic i like ...
    and i do like sunny also because one day he was sitting IN my living room .
    and had a vieuw outside on the first dog( mayfields texas )
    and he said about him .
    THIS IS A HEL OF A DOG lol ;)
    he said the same about mayfields vogan
     
  15. bollybok

    bollybok Pup

    I was there and so was b van h and he never said that ,the guy didnt like mayfield dogs .To be honest the only thing he said was he Never seen a game one
     
  16. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    lol
    i was sitting with sunny in the living room .
    bvh and a other guy the driver where waiting outside .
     
  17. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    excely now i think back about that day
    i can not remember me siting with sonny and bvh and a stranger/anonime .
    on a gouch in the living room talking/look.at about mayfield's texas
    by reading the body langauce on distance (30 feet)of bvh . .... i rood that he could't handle it excely....just looking our direction did not come close lol
     
  18. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog


    Hey 3Dog, next time we can talk in private there is some things I think you like to know.
    I've known Sonny for years. About 9 years ago were together, for years after that he would call for information on some things which I can't go into here.
    What a file that man has!
     
  19. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    youno half bro to tito.JPG back to topic
     
  20. brindle

    brindle Big Dog

    Is the Colby family still breeding dogs? Who else these days is breeding Colby dogs?
     

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