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?how To Tell?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by FIREMAN, Jul 10, 2005.

  1. FIREMAN

    FIREMAN Big Dog

    I SEE PEOPLES PEDS AND USUALLY I CAN TELL WHAT BLOOD THEY ARE...
    BUT SOMETIMES I LOOK AND I SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE AND IT DOESNT MAKE SINCE......http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...hp?dog_id=60953 LIKE THIS 1....NOW I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LIKE A MAVERICK CROSS OR SOMETHIN BUT OTHERS SAID IT WAS "
    The bottom side is basically just a Jeep/Eli cross, while the top side, is an Alligator/Snooty/Eli cross basically"
    CAN YA HELP????

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  2. SLICK WILLIE

    SLICK WILLIE Guest

    Looking at the overall its a dibo dog for the base. Taking % of how many of the same dogs were line bred and inbred through out the ped. Looks like most of the blood is Eli with a shot of Dime blood off the bo. That is just a glance I took. It would take a min to get the blood % down to what the dogs total make up really is. The crosses were done back in the ped but the makeup is a eli base dog and I would not say it was based on one dog in the line but in fact an ability that was being looked at when they were breeding the dogs. I also seen Cottons Bullet in there to and this dog and Eli were said to have been one in the same? So the blood might very well be thighter than you think. I dont ponder on the paperwork that much but look at the ability a dog has to judge its worth.
     
  3. FIREMAN

    FIREMAN Big Dog

    but how do you read it???
     
  4. Noname

    Noname Banned

    very loose bred dog, not a pretty ped to say the least
     
  5. SLICK WILLIE

    SLICK WILLIE Guest

    It's loose if your loking for brood dogs but performance dogs you might be ok if it plays well and can throw good dogs. Then linebreed and inbreed it if it works for you. There is a difference in loose dogs and scatterbred dogs so dont let anyone tell you different. The fact is the dog might be breed better than whats on paper if you know what I mean! To answer your ? How to read it? Go back to the forth gen and look at every dog back there. What I seen most dogs go back to Dibo just branched off different ways but was bred alot off the the Eli Bullyson dogs Same line of dogs just inbred to themself and crossed for a reason. Chinaman was a Eli/Carver dog but the lines were of Linebred and inbred Dibo dogs and was the base for the Chinaman dog well before Chinaman was born. What I'm saying is Chinaman was a product of well bred dogs on the same line and just fell into the right hands to become one of the most famous dogs of our time. If the people you get your dogs from are breeding for bulldogs then dont worry about paperwork so much but if they ant you may have some crap. Know what you want before they sell you what they want you to have!
     
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  6. FIREMAN

    FIREMAN Big Dog

    thx alot.im startin to understand
     
  7. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    I would not go back as far as Dibo. I would say that dog is a Hammond/Garner/WSK/Jeep/Boudreaux cross. To just say the dog is mainly Dibo with a touch of Colby's Dime is going back to far. That is how I see it. If I have to go to far back in the ped for it to make sence than it is a loose breeding, IMO.
     
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  8. KURUPT

    KURUPT Big Dog

    Look's like a good old Eli x Carver cross to me.
     
  9. FIREMAN

    FIREMAN Big Dog

    where do you get eli or carver???scotsman your conclusion makes the most sense to me...
     
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  10. SLICK WILLIE

    SLICK WILLIE Guest

    Lets look at your dog this way. Its bred down from the same dogs and thats what you want. It is an Eli/Carver dog for the most part but the jeep is not the thing they were after it was the honeybunch blood. Bo is crossed into it for a reason when you got jeep. Then you have the bullyson which is the bro to Eli JR but that dont make it the Eli jr Line. Here it is! Man buys a dog and breeds it to every bitch on his yard and then breeds the females back to the sire. Now you will have double bred dog off your sire. Breed the offspring back one more time and they are Tripple in turn Linebred ok take that and do a bro sister breeding and you got some tight brood dogs. If that is to tight do a half bro sister but of the same lines. Its an ability your after or you want to keep but if the bottom starts to drop out then you cross and a Good Jeep/redboy will keep gameness, mouth and add some roughness to the inbred dogs. If what you have are good dogs just linebreed and inbreed. It will work but you gotta cull hard. Just my take on the subject. I have seen linebred chinaman in peds alot of times but not hold a candle to a chinaman/bingo cross or other crosses. There is a reason for this and its Fastlane.
     
  11. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    If you are looking for a tight Eli/Carver dog and you end up with that pedigree something went wrong. I am not saying that is not a good dog, but it is a loose bred dog....LOL.
    Plus is you are looking for Bullyson why add Jeep? People add Jeep to their lines for the Ch. Jeep ROM, not for the little bit of Bullyson in his ped.
     
  12. jazzpit

    jazzpit Pup

    how can i tell what type of pit i got i was told she was an amercian red nose but she looks like a straffordshire
     

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