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You are wrong..Gameness can only be proven ONE way. It's very easy to throw the term around especially by people who havent had a game charge in front of them. Good luck with your dog.

 

Gameness, truly can only be tested one way, and we all know what that is. However, we all love and respect our dogs and do not associate ourselves with that crap.

With the "True" test out the window (if you are a moral), than different attributes of gameness traits can be tested by other means. Big game charging at your dog is not a the "true" test. Here is a good reading that explains why:


Pit bulls will generally excel in activities that require
sustained determination and that test their bodies' ability to endure pain and
exhaustion to an extreme. But the fact is that there are very few activities
that will test a dog's gameness to its limits, or that will provide a basis for
comparing one dog's degree of gameness to another's. For example, wild boar
hunting, in spite of the high level of risk to the dog involved, doesn't really
test the limits of a dog's gameness. The tangle between boar and dog is fast,
furious, and generally quite short (compared with a pit contest). Athletic
ability, agility, explosive power, strength of bite, and smarts are of a higher
priority here than gameness, which never really has a chance to come into play
in so brief an encounter. The dog will either take the boar down or be killed
before the depth of his gameness can make much of a difference. Several larger
breeds of dogs--American Bulldogs and Argentine Dogos--seem to be at least
equally adept at boar hunting as pit bulls. But this doesn't make them as game
as pit bulls.

Just because a game disposition will aid a dog in excelling
at many different activities--such as agility competition, flyball races,
tree-climbing, etc.--doesn't mean that these activities are sufficient tests for
gameness. Gameness is multi-dimensional; the above activities do not stress all
of these dimensions simultaneously to their extreme limits . Gameness is, in
positive terms, a happy eagerness to pursue a challenge; but it is also, in
negative terms, the stubborn refusal to heed the cries of the nervous system to
stop struggling and and to flee the situation that is causing so much pain. None
of the activities above can fully assess this second dimension.
Unfortunately,the only activity that really tests the full extent of a dog's
gameness is pit contests. It's a pity that this is the case. Personally, I don't
much like the idea of dog fighting, especially when money is involved and takes
precedence over the well-being of the dogs. If I knew of another method--say, a
DNA test--which could determine gameness, I'd be happily promoting that method
right now. But genetic research has a long way to go before it could provide
such a test. And with slightly more imporant concerns, such as preventing
cancer, I don't expect many research dollars to flow into DNA game -testing. As
a result, I'm left in the rather hypocritical position of celebrating a canine
virtue that is only made possible by a human vice. So be it. I still prefer game
dogs. </p>
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You prefer gamedogs but refer to the one way of actually testing it as "crap":confused:

 

Of course I do, because I do not believe in fighting a dog against another (or two, or three) to test gameness. It's not something I personally would support. If a dog is that "game" why test it until it's almost dead?

 

Keep reading on what dog matching actually was. You sound confused on what it was. not even sure why you would want a gamedog actually

 

...I am not confused. However, how often do people "dog match" in the correct manner? That is, without the greed of money, without the spectators, without getting emotionally involved with the match.

 

And we wounder why this breed is in trouble.Just breath people in with the good out with the bad.

 

and that comment is towards me for what reason exactly?

 

you cant just change the meaning of something because YOU don't like it.unless your dog was game tested you can not say she is game,period.

 

GAMENESS:The ability to absorb extreme punishment and STILL keep pushing forwards.The desire to overcome an obstacle,regardless of the circumstances.Rabbitts and squirrels will not test a dogs gameness.Period.It will show how intense his "prey drive" is though. "Prey drive" and "gameness" are in no way related.You seem to care about your dog.Just enjoy him.Dont worry about all the paperwork.If you were truly trying to gain a little knowledge about these dogs ,you should have done so before acquiring the dog you have.These dogs are not for beginners.They require much more responsibility than your average dog due to the bad-wrap they already have.I'm not saying your not responsible,just keep that in mind.Anyways,enjoy your hound!

 

This is just my opinion but you joined a board called game dog. Were the motto is preserving the breed with ?'s about a dog with no papers who is most likely a mutt compare it with one of the old greats I think everyone here has been quite nice .but I say spay or nueter the mutt it's not game it's not a bulldawg it don't look like one and there's your answer as for you enjoy your dog that's all that maters and when people ask what it is say a mixed breed because 95% of the attacks out there are done by dogs just like that and blamed on our apbt's sorry but this stuff gets me pissed!!!!

 

I used to think so too, but even though his ped says black he is actually seal. Same deal with Garner's Chinaman JR.

 

JR is also Black

 

I agree 100%, this dog doesn't look like a bulldog and doesn't seem to act like a bulldog by your description and beliefs of what being game is all about and how to 'test' it.

 

Unless you have a pedigree, you CAN'T know what lines your dog is. Don't ask. You'll never know.
Your dog ain't game, either.

 

If you don't support it,then I guess you're entitled to your opinion,but if I felt that way I'd quit throwing the word game around on a dog that never seen [] because that is the ONLY way to determine gameness.FWIW that "crap" is the reason we have these dogs today,it's what made them what they are.I personally respect the dogmen of the past for their contribution to the dogs.As far as your dog goes,if you like her,then enjoy her for what she is.

 

Once again, I know the ped says black but they're both seal Same thing with Garner's Ch Miss Zorro, they're all listed as black but as previously discussed in apbt bloodline threads they're all seal. Black is just how they're listed.

 

Ok, I am gonna ignore the disussion on gameness and come back to the collar thing.

You need to get an appropriate collar for lake swimming, and you also STILL need to seem to learn how to use a prong.


First off, a prong should be coupled with another collar. The risk of a link busting open even when fitted properly is always there. You should always have a backup collar on the dog to grab in the case that happens. It is not a frequent thing, but the right movement can make it happen. I've had it happen before with a protection dog, only once in her entire life I think - but having that backup collar kept the situation from becoming ugly and my dog is still alive today rather than having a court order against her to put her down.

Secondly, a prong collar is a training tool. It should not be kept on while he is swimming so you can "grab it" if you have to. Put on a proper flat collar for that which is suited for swimming. You have the prong on extremely loose, making it more likely to shift around and slip a link if you did have to grab it - and if that happened you would have a wet dog with no collar. And on top of that you are not going to be able to effectively restrain a dog in a tense situation with a loose prong collar and your bare hands. You will hurt yourself, pinch and crush your fingers, and as I said above probably even have the collar slip. Get a normal flat collar ment for control and use it at the lake or whenever you have your dog off leash in public (another thing I would NEVER NEVER recommended for this breed, when the dog swims if you are in public you should have him on an extended length line so you can start reeling him in if need be). Be responsible so we don't read about your dog in the newspaper. You come on hear talking a lot of talk about research and wanting a game dog - but then you cannot follow some really basic safety precautions like using a back up collar or using a flat collar when swimming.

 

gameness can only be tested one-way don't try bull-shitting youself or any one here by saying different if you love your dog and it loves you thats great the fact is that as long as your not breeding it being game shouldn't be a major priority and the truth be none is that a-lot of people on this site(you no who you are) that say they have game dogs are lying .game bred does not mean game

 

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