The real story of brodts ch ninja

i saw ninja go and wasnt impressed with his fighting ability but he was as game as they come. i personally have seen dogs that would have killed his ass in a matter of short minutes but none the less he was game for what they matched him into

 

Most so called chinaman dogs today dont resemble the real chinaman "type". Not in performance or physique. Its not hard to tell either, just look at some of the real chinaman dogs from early 90s and the ones thats around now. Not saying there isnt anyone, but the majority is outwatered fake pedigree dogs IMO..

 

ch ninja had a son by the name of ch johnny handsome who had all the chinaman traits down to even his style. and butkus if you know v you know he doesnt pick weak spots and only goes into the best out there. so if ninja seemed like average to you it was probably because of what he went into.

 

benthere muta would have been a quarter chinaman bred into other jeep rascal bitches making the offspring an eighth chinamn so your right they would be mainly honeybunch dogs with a chinaman out

 

Interesting! We've got CH Ninja's bro Garrets bear in many of our peds here. He didn't produce many black dogs here, even with a black bitch Garrets Midnight. A couple to a Reid bitch is about all. Nothing like other Eli line dogs have here. So, did T.G's mum have Chinaman while Don lived there, or was Don a fence-jumper?

 

And Don admitted doing it, but not how? And owed T.G's mum money when he left? This Chinaman biz sounds like there might have been a lot of spite on both ends of the story. It's not as if CH Jeep didn't produce any other black dogs, or maybe they're by Chinaman too!

 

a dog could be seen as a mans rival, when he's using another stud and the 2 dogs are competing for stud fees and ROM points. using the other blokes line with ones own to beat the other bloke sounds a bit silly to me, more like an admission of defeat , and joining him than competing against him. If I think of another kennels as a rival, I would never consider using their stock against them. It'd be a cur way to win and would prove nothing. Was Don that stupid and gutless? I somehow doubt it. Here in Oz we've heard this sad tale for many years, with a variety of variations on the story - he said, but this guy says, et cetera. If it looks and smells like bullshit, guess what?

 

I found this on another forum concerning the subject at hand..

".......Ok, For all you non informed non dogmen that just like to Talk Shit without knowing or believe bullshit from Brodt here goes a story !


There was a man named Brodt who was a good friend with a Skinny young tall Italian winning dogs all over the country! Since this Italian had acess to all of Tom Garners dogs as an agreement amoung friends and gentelmen he allowed Brodt to Breed to a CH CHinaman dog! A man named Brodt was going through a divorce and called a Man named T.G who had family in Georgia in distress! As a token of frinedship a Man named Tom offered refuge for a distressed Brodt to a property in Georgia with his 7 dogs until he got back on his feet! After a year had gone by and the seven dogs had multiplied to 50 dogs Toms Mother called Tom and informed him it had been a year and not a dollar had been paid for either water nor electicity nor rent and the 7 dogs had multiplied to 50 plus! Tom kindly calls Brodt and asks him to leave as he had had enough time to get on his feet ! Several months go buy and Tom has to come down from Carolinas to ask Brodt to leave in person! In retribution Mr Brodt registers the litter off of CH jeep instead of Ch Chinaman! When The Italian confronts Brodt about the registration these are the exact words with tears in eyes, " I'm sorry Vinny, Tom kicked me off his property man , hes a mother fucking asshole man I dont deserve this bla bla bla, this is why I screwed him! Vince states " You did not screw Tom , you screwed Me, I allowed you the breeding ! I'm Sorry Vinny , I apologize here take this dog Named Ninja as a token of good faith , hes a bad motherfucker off of that breeding , and Vinny took the dog and made him famous defeating the dog that had beated , RIcky Jones, Ken Allen , and Mr Rogers! All this has come from the mouth of the man who conditioned CH CHinaman , and Ch Ninja and CH CJ7 and bred Frisco ect ect . Now for all you diehard believers here are some pictures , on the left are pictures of Chinaman and CH Ninja on same yard of man who shaped them! Notice ling body on the dogs legs , back genetics do not lie folks , the one on bottom is Ninja , In contrast the dogs on Right are Dotte is the Dam , Ch Jeep is Sire and CH CJ7 is the dog on bottom notice strong structure, flat feet monkey tail and powerful stocky build on Jeep, Floyd and CJ 7, just the paint has changed ! In the middle is a pic of Brodts Dotty all pics scanned at home of Vinny this week end! Now If the pictures and the story from a 40 year veteran dog man that does not sell dogs is not proof you believe what you want ! Morover CH jeep shows up as he should in Black angel dogs like he should so why would they be in one dog and not in the other , its not consitent! Now there were 4 dogs in that litter Two males and a female! One superb male was also given to James Crenshaw an Excellent show dog that does not show up anywhere in any Crenshaw pedigree and I bet my left nut he is the sire of Gr Ch Blackjack as you look at pics of Chinaman and CH Ninja and his sister there are Identical to Blackjack in structure! JMO Who knowa other than James


Nuff Said
Atown .........."

 

I don't know how you folks do down under, but in America (the A in APBT), dogmen have been known to sink down to faking peds or just plain old fashion stealing. The desire to win sometimes is all consuming. I use to hate Jeep dogs. I now like what they bring to the table. If you can't beat them, then join 'em. I don't know or care how Ninja was bred, but it is a fact that peds have and will continue to be faked. I remember seeing a pic of Ninja years ago and saying to myself "that dog looks like Chinaman". This was ten years before I ever heard or read the fuss about ROM points, free loading etc. What does all this mean? Jack shit. Both Chinaman and Ninja are dead and all that is left is the pudding and that is where the truth is.

 

Well, the story doesn't do the dogs any harm. Certainly not Chinaman. Yeah, bad shit happens here too, and I can take being told I'm wrong. What a mess.

 

The dog game here has far fewer in it here, of course, and rarely with such ties to others. As for the post to non-dogmen, I didn't bother with that.

 

It would be nice to know the whole story, but not one that begins with insults to the reader. I expressed an opinion or two, asked a couple of questions. Of course here in Oz we don't know the ins and outs of much that we hear from the states. I guess that one still upsets people. Hard to believe the Bear dogs are Chinaman dogs, that's all. If anyone felt insulted by my posts on this, as it seems in one case, well sorry you-all.

 

Since being involved heavily with pitbulldogs from 22years ago til now, I've often heard u.s import Burfords Hearns wasn't by CH Hurt like his ped says. Anyone know anything about this? Fact or fiction? We know the dogs we have now, but much that came before them is mystery. Best dog we have is descended from American lines but is out of an import from russia, Ablizins Red Rose. Nice place Russia I hear. They shoot dogthieves there I'm told. Very nice.

 

Magnoilaotis, thank you for setting me straight on this and similar issues. You're a gentleman. To any my queries or attitude offend, sorry if I bother you, it's unintentional. Those who want to think I'm a jerkoff, nice, I'm happy for you.

 

Interesting! is a understatement,

here is a pic of a bitch from bro sister mating down from Bear x Reid bitch.




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Yes in Eastern Europe they make a point in a short order with snitches, and thieves.

 

http://www.game-dog.com/showthread.php?t=239&

 

http://www.game-dog.com/showthread.php?t=41537&page=1

 

Spoken directly to Don and he said the dog is off Jeep without question and doubt.