Cross vs Pure

Line breeding is generally half bro x half sis where one grandparent appears twice in the second generation but you could also breed cousins where 2 littermates appear in the second generation.
Inbreeding usually means breeding a father or mother back to their offspring or two littermates together. U will often see the same dog appear in both the first and second generation but u might see the same gr father and grand mother twice in the second gen. There are a million more combinations that are possible and its much more complicated than this but I'm not gonna argue just for the sake of arguing. I'm sure BB has a dam good grasp on breeding and see no need to argue over terminology.

 

i asked my uncle this a few months back and this topic is turning into a similar question. "if you inbred them a second generation directly the genetic makeup in the offspring has a high probability of not even being relevant to the foundation it was bred on.". With that said , would you still call it inbreeding if you took the best offspring out of 3 repeat breedin's. First gen.(not bro/sis) that didn't exactly express the same "type" meaning color , style , build , etc. Or would the genes be mixed enough to breed together with out the inbreed defects while holding on to the foundations genes(type/performance)?

 

should have added not breeding the bro/sis from the first breeding but breeding them to the best complimentary offspring from the other 2 repeat breedin's

 

Very interesting!Thanks for posting it!

 

Good post Limey, I don't want people to confuse family breeding with inbreeding and line breeding bc they are all different. That's what BB was getting at and he was correct about that. A good example is a lot of eli dogs I see today. People make outcrosses but they are to different strains of eli dogs. That's more of a family breeding than a battle cross. Then we have others talking about phenotype, point is its more complicated than any brief post can explain. There are so many variables to look at.

 

The practices and foundation animals always vary. Inbreeding is very limited in style and practice. As DP mentioned SonXMother FatherXdaughter SibXsib... but linebreeding on the other hand can be so loosely taken it can appear to be scatterbreeding (on paper) or appear to be inbreeding....

Nice post Limey... I dig that Dirty red dog you got there.....

 

anytime you breed from the same gene pool it's inbreeding.linebred is a form of inbreeding on a lesser scale. a lot of " outcrossed" dogs are simply inbred outcrossed dogs within the same family. & sometimes the inbreeding coefficient can be higher. the whole problem is folks inbreeding on the wrong shit.

 

Preach!!!!

 

you arent saying anything hasnt been mentioned on this thread......

 

CC is there a reason your trolling O'l bb lol " you arent saying anything hasnt been mentioned on this thread" no shit captain obvious bb just explain what's going on geneticly. checkout the other 100 genetics threads because i post the same thing.

 

Whoop whoop throw those poor defense shields up with a quickness!

I'm overly aware I'm not saying anything that hasnt been stated because I agreed with someone who posted ahead of myself and reiterated on it. Line-breeding and inbreeding aren't the same thing otherwise geneticist wouldnt have wasted their time using two different words to define each practice....... Linebreeding certainly is inbreeding to a 'DEGREE' anyone using .009 precent of their electronic cranial fat deposit is aware of that.

If you want to take a microscope to it to back up what you are saying then it would ALLLLLLLL be inbreeding unless you outcrossed to an entirely different breed............

 

True coz whats the use of having a pure!!! That can't perfom nice,can't work and got certain percentage of game. Whats the use of having 1 that dont have gamess,m0uth just for the sake of keepin a pure pedi lol.

 

Aczakly to many people FALL into the PURE trap. if you askt them why they are breeding pure ore tight for that matter. they have NO cleu!!.
pre 1976 people who started out as dogman started out as sportif dogman ""first"".
they bought dogs from varius places and kep wat was doing its job . when that STAND OUT dog came along. he ore she was used to form a base as the future foundation of those dogman who afther a lenghty period in learning the understanding wat a real bulldog should be, knew enoughf to breed for .
THIS was the time they started to create there own famely and with trail and error they started to line breed inbreed outcross there dogs. many atempt trying to do this FAILED and played out in sutch a way they are not with us anymore today!!.

Famelies that did work out bij the people who KNEW what they where doing have been bred to pieces bij lots of the modernday pepsi cola generation of dogman, who in contrary of the breeders of yesterday have no clue, how to breed dogs ore wat to look for in sirtin breedings. they are most of the time best to best breeders iven if they think they are breeding a famely of dogs.
Have stated more then ones that when you breed on eli ore alligator and those typ of dogs ore chinaman for that matter that its rediculess to end up with related dogs PRIOR to the dog you breed on!!. no matter if they are desend ore star quality dogs.. thats NOT the rezen we inbreed ore line breed.
sure many diferend rezend and ways and upinions how to breed dogs, and some famelies are more tighter bred because they breed for a sirtin type, others who are mutch more tighter bred on ""paper"" are actualy of a mutch lesser pure breeding due to this.. and can therfor been bred more on the inbreeding side of breeding. but to many variable in type make these famlies of lesser purety and ofthen lesser in the % quality.
reading dogs is still not used enoughf these days, to many pedegree breeders fooling around and distroing the good and hard work of the people befor them..
The esense en importense of the varius famelies of yesterday hase been mostly LOST bij todays dogman.......

 

LMFAO @ you CC "geneticist" you really are reaching. now O'l bb will break it down for your simple minded ass. no scientist spent any time defining the " turm" linebred. it originated from farmers breeding practices why? the microscope been out for years. and it say the gene pool for these dogs are relatively small & that means the origins can be traced back to the wolvs & regions these dogs came from. pedigree don't tell anything more then what dog was bred to what. NOT the genetic makeup of the offspring.

 

I agree with ya TripleJ!

 

Though he was just a simple monk/pea farmer, if Gregor Mendel wasnt a geneticist then yeah I'm reaching......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04 .... all I'm hearing my dude. So I guess we're sharing a laugh!

 

Lmao...I thought to myself, if that was reaching was the other stretching so much to the point of pulling on it...I'll tell you, I was prepared to do the " matrix dodge " lmfao...c'mon is a Husky really a APBT in Wolf's clothing!...perhaps Mr Revolution better put a call through to Jesus again and ask him what begat Wolves that produced mongrels which created purebreds lol...seriously though BB, how would you go into detail to describe the pedigree examples that Limey has posted on this tread?

 

It's just a terminology difference. Inbreed: Father x Daughter, Dam x son, Brother to sister.

Everything else is linebreed. From half sister to half brother to grandpa to grandson or grandpa to granddaughter, including uncle to niece or niece to nephew.

Then there a are some linebreed programs based in offspring off a specific stud or related family.

You could add loose linebreed when the main reproducers are coming from the same family source but breed different ways by different people but with the same background.

For me, the most important is how close those dogs are to desirable traits their familys are known.

If you breed two familys coming off Eli dogs, and the individuals does not represent the desirable and known traits, you'll probably get atipical Eli dogs, which shouldnt be your goal if you are breeding Eli dogs to get same type results. (Just an example).

 

you can describe a pedigree anyway you want because it's subjective. you can turn a apbt into a german shephard lol ever here that? why dony you go into detail that proves O'l bb wrong LMFAO

 

You are right, its always subjective!!

However, inbreed and linebred techniques have been developed as diffferent ways of breeding animals, not just dogs but livestock aswell and for different purposes!

I&D programs in livestock animals always been far away from canine world!!

Just because more money was invested in producing studs and brood stock, that would increase performance as milk and meat suppliers.