Bert Sorrells vs. Tatonka Kennels

Wtf?! Out of time period!? B&Ts are still popping up in gamelines dude! Wake the fuck up! Ya'll put it to mildly for this dude

 

man how long have you owned bulldogs? Almost every line will produce a b&t just some do it more than other. I breed 2 reds and got 6 pups 4 were b&t and 2 reds and there are no rotty or coonhounds on my yard! Some of your post make you sound like you have no idea of what you are talking about!!!!

 

First look at her dog period ..Second what I say are average based on real science ..Black is a dom gene brown eyes over blue so to speak you can breed a dom male to a tan dog a black dog from this litter can be dom dom or dom recessive and still be black yet breed to a back dom will loose to dom gene ..or breed to recessive can throw both colors ..this is why alot of breeds have got it down to two colors labs ..dobbs etc. ..Anyone claims they had a black child..because her great great great great great great great great grand dad was black is lying .thats the simple answer to the colby had one 1800s ..Are you for real assuming 3 yrs a pop that would be 66 generations ago ..I'm stupid ...go to school study science this is for Madusa

 

The little dog in your picture are not the tan with dark mussle I'm talking about I'm Talking about the dog she has advertised in Adba gazette it has a black and tan rottie pattern.

 

First of all I have been to school and have worked in the veterinary field for over 20 years, so maybe you are the one that needs an education. Second Colby threw more than one and there are many lines to this day that throw this pattern including not only Sorrells, but Hammond's, Jeep, Boyles, and a few others. It is not rare or hard to find if you simply open your eyes and look. It is a less common color simply due to the fact that it takes a double recessive for it to appear in a litter. There is and has not been any outside influence of Rottweiler or any other modern breeds, if you did your research you would know this as you would find that one of the many breeds that went into producing the APBT as we know it was the black and tan terrier.

 

This is an excerpt from an article by Ed Faron:​

The tan point pattern is caused by a recessive gene on the Agouti series gene locus, the following are the alleles (variations) that are definitely known to occur in the American Pit Bull Terrier. There are also a couple of other genes on this same locus, but they are most likely not present in this breed, so we will ignore them in this article to try and keep things simple.
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Agouti locus alleles present in the APBT </td> </tr> <tr> <td><table border="1" cellpadding="0" width="420"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top" width="32">A
</td> <td valign="top" width="374">Dominant Black: produces a solid color (ie.black, chocolate or blue)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="32">ay
</td> <td valign="top" width="374">Dominant Yellow - Produces reds and buckskins
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="32">at
</td> <td valign="top" width="374">Tan-Point (recessive)- produces solid color with tan 'points'
</td> </tr> </tbody></table></td> </tr> </tbody></table> A dog needs to inherit two copies of the tan-point gene to be a black & tan. If a pup inherits one copy of the gene and one copy of the dominant yellow gene, which causes a red or buckskin coloration, then the dog will be red or buckskin, not black and tan. If the dog inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one of the dominant black gene, the result will be a solid black dog. because of the recessive nature of the tan-point gene, it can actually remain hidden in the gene pool for many generations without expressing itself. In the case of our breed (where this is not a common color) this is what often happens, but it is important to realize that when the tan-point pattern does pop up it is not some new color mutation that appeared out of nowhere, but rather the manifestation of a gene that has been present in this breed all throughout the known history of the American Pit Bull Terrier. Though it is impossible to say for sure where the coloration originated, our best guess would be that it came from some sort of terrier blood that was introduced many, many years ago, probably during the early formation of the breed in the British Isles.
Actually, part of the reason the color is uncommon is that there has been a distinct prejudice against it by many people, either because they feel it is not a typical Pit Bull color, or even actually thought it was the result of a mixed breeding. The latter reason shows an ignorance of basic genetic principles, because the gene is recessive, there is no way you could breed a Rottweiler or a Doberman or Manchester Terrier to a Pit Bull and get puppies with the tan-point markings unless the Pit Bull was carrying the tan- point gene too. If in fact the black and tan color was not present in the APBT gene pool, you would have to breed to a dog of another tan-point breed, and then breed two offspring from such a breeding back together to get black & tan dogs, in the first generation you would get no tan-pointed offspring.
The tan point gene does not actually create a black & tan animal, the gene itself does not produce any color but rather a pattern of a solid color with light-colored 'points'. These 'points' always appear in specific places but the actual size and distribution of them is somewhat variable. The exact coloration that is produced by the tan-point gene is dependent on the color genes present at other loci, for instance if the pigmentation is black, the result will be a black & tan, but if the dog's pigmentation is chocolate or blue then the pattern would produce a chocolate & tan or a blue & tan, respectively.

 

So I take it these are your dogs ,Sorrells should favor The dog on here 'Crimsonghost' has, not look like a Rottie Pattern it has to do with the pattern not just color I could can if the dog was pink

 

Might ought to check out Crimson's pics again, lmao............ Or if you don't like those pics go check out Hammond's dogs, or Boyle's there are plenty of them out there with this pattern. They even appear occasionally in the Jeep lines if you prefer those.

 

I ran into my first pit when i was a kid 1969 never forget it I had shepard and seen this little dog on my street so i figured i would chase it little shit what was it doing on my street so I go bother this little dog and it turned into the incredible hulk teeth showing I ran and jumped between my nieghbors front door and a screen The dog hit the door let me know what was what ..and I figured hey I would leave him alone if he's going to act that way ...lol then my dog died and about 1971 my grand dad brought me a puppy from down south and it was oneof those little dogs

 

Roscoe i am not even going to waste my time arguing this shit with you..You should know better if u have had these dogs as long as you say.

 

LOL not to mention why the fuck would any respected APBT breeder use a fucking Rottie when the very nature of those dogs goes against everything our breed is intended for what the hell would a rottie bring to the table as far as the APBT is concerned? Not a damn thing! Rotties are guard/herding dogs the APBT is a box dog two breeds bred for entirely two different purposes. That color pattern is not only seen in rotties either there are other breeds who have the same color pattern in the gene pools. If you read the genetic explanation that's been posted for this color/pattern, it should sink in. Unless you just want to believe something other than the facts. This color pattern is not as common because of the recessive nature, it's just like the blue dogs why don't we see as many blue game dogs? It certainly isn't because the color doesn't exist in the gene pools, it's because in order for that to happen both parents must be carriers of the recessive gene it can go completely hidden but won't be expressed until the gene is doubled up on when a breeding is done where both parents carry a copy of that particular gene it's genetics 101 and how it works. Jesus lord this isn't rocket science.

 

You do realize Bert had the black and tan dogs as well? Not just his ex wife lol

He bred this one right here ...

APBT ONLINE PEDIGREES

Are you telling us that Bert didn't know what he was breeding? The man who is actually behind this family of dogs doesn't know what his dogs are supposed to look like? So you know more about Bert's dogs than he does?

 

lol I got him 4 times in my dogs ped..and my dog is red by the way . Dont wast your time with roscoe pcoe train ,,he just likes to argue even if he is wrong and been prooven wrong.

 

He don't know wtf he's saying.

 

At least you finally got something right.

 

Yeah and your dog could be a carrier of that gene if you ever bred it to a black and tan dog which would be an obvious carrier you might get some black and tan dogs you won't know though until you actually breed the dog ... I don't see the point in not just admitting you were misinformed how the hell can you go through life and learn anything if you already know everything fuck why even come online lol. And to argue and attempt to insult people who have hands on expirence owning and breeding the sorrells dogs that have given you the facts in black and white through credible sources is just plain stupidity. Those comments he had made are not only disrespectful to the people who own dogs off Bert and his former wife but they are also just down right disrespectful to Bert and his family to even suggest the he and his wife would cross breed the APBT to a Rottie to produce some cool colored inferior mutts that would likely be HA as hell and have all kinds of issues. I thought everyone knew that dog men don't breed for color if they did there would be a ton of blue game dogs and even more black and tan point game dogs the reason why those colors are less common is because dog men don't selectively breed for color in the first place . I could see if we were talking about bully breeders than he might have a valid point LOL.

 

I can tell you 100% without a doubt that Bamaman's dog is definitely a genetic b&t carrier and will throw them if bred to another carrier.

 

Lee I have no regrets about buying him..He is a good dog man.No pics Lee I still aint got a camera but ill try and some pics of him soon and get them posted.

 

good to hear bud. how old is he now?

 

He turned one year on April 17th.