Old Irish Staffs

I was told that some of the old lines of irish staff looked like this gull terr... Has anyone ever seen an irish staff with this kind of look?

 

Gull terr is a bull terrier mate.

 

Nope but that's a nice gull terr

 

Allways wanted a gull terr though...

 

Yeah i know gull terrs are closer to bull terriers than irish staffs but i was told that some early staffs were very similar... Maybe some of the staff crosses with bull terriers was what they were referring to

 

Staffs were a cross of bulldog and terrier bred for the pit. Bull terriers were old english white terrier x bulldog they were the same dog then so I supose they all would have looked the same. But were going back a hundred years or more.

 

Smithy i am aware of that but i was told in more recent times there have been dogs with a similar look as per the above gull terr

 

It don't look like any Irish SBT Iv ever seen,,,

 

Bull terrier as a slang term is as old as the breed and depending on geographic location and use of the dog depicted the name bulldog or terrier.. Terrier means Tenacity.. The first Pit terriers came from inbreeding pit bulldogs.. then they put them back in and Bull and Terrier became ONE breed as putting the genetic mutation back into the bulldog a genetic mutation itself... Forever changed the bulldog.. Follow books, history, and pedigrees.. You can find all the propaganda that changed the way people think. For instance... Colby has dogs early 1900s that were registered as AKC AmStff and AKC SBT and UKC APBT all on one dog.. JP had dogs for sale as "Game" bull terriers .. Hinkle and his bull terrier came from show breeding working Game bull terrier aka APBT stock..

Early on the SBT was the Pit bulldog it began with King George II but propaganda to change the idea of the bulldog in the minds of people and rename the real bulldog and other dogs for the geographic location.. thus Staffordshire .. and Manchester... Manchester is the genetic source in the beginning and is the lingering genetic dog of the White fighitng terrier... .. Function and genetics forms these breeds


The Bull Terrier outside of mexico is not a working dog that can be compared to any APBT or working bulldog. Genetically working SBTs are closer to APBTs than ASTs.. APBTs are down from SBTs and ASTs are down from APBTs..

 

Terrier is Latin for earth don't give false info

 

Sorry.. I've disected it and no.. it means Tenacity in its orginal meaning..
... slang .. and common use of slang.. turned it into a term reffering to dog breeds.. thats not false info.. Thats origin..

 

it was derrived to show that the dogs were tenacious by blood.............

 

they were so tenacious they would unearth they're quarry..........

 

given that terr is Latin for ground,i think it's quite likely that terrier means dog that goes to ground (considering that's what a terrier does) rather than tenacious.

What's the logic/evidence behind it meaning tenacious?

 

Terrier , has always meant dogs that go to earth...its does not and never has meant anything else...

 

bull ter is a old hinks bull terrer

 

Have seen some badger dog's that were bull terrier/staff cross's..one i remember was m.he****son's sheeba..that were tall+leggy.this was in 70's,that looked a-bit like gur's...don't think hinks was the first to cross bulldog's over terrier's..he was the first man of means (gentleman) to be recognised for doing it with success with dog's such as madmen,puss,,,etc;etc.they did not look like the roman-nosed dog's of to-day's show-type...more like gurrs and other pitdog's of to-day

 

Where is your proof that its a slang term? There have been loads of threads about this and I don't want to take over this thread but I hate all that bullshit about bulldogs being the apbt and I wont argue anymore.

 

terra means earth in latin.. .. and yes.. I have posted proof in other posts.. is the historic picture not enough? Follow the pedigrees and history books..

[QUOTEterrier
n
(Historical Terms) English legal history a register or survey of land
[from Old French, from Medieval Latin terrārius of the land, from Latin terra land]][/QUOTE]

Terrier is a dog that takes the earth or unearths its prey...

in the fighting dogs you read and follow the historic books and listen to the slang around which, any and all common sense should kick in. Some here in the states called them pit terriers some bull terriers but yet JP and Lightener called them all bulldogs cause thats what they are... Two guys who had em all..

 

circa: the first terriers ever registered were from inbreeding pit bulldogs and were registered in Birmingham, England 1865...